But you literally suggested trading future assets for next year in one of your responses. This regime has run its course, we agree on that. What I'm saying is that the team is not close enough to go for it in 2024 without a serious talent injection, and you aren't going to get a new GM to buy into that as part of his job duties. Mew GMs inherently want to do things their way, not someone else's way. The poster formerly known as broomulack - was time for a change.
I tried to explain the best I could the difference between mortgaging the future and trading some future assets on occasion to help present and future, like a trade up for a guy you think fell using some next year's assets, etc... I would hope the new GM would consider every option, including that one, to put a competitive team every year including next year. I think it is possible to make the team competitive next year and win by the new GM/HC without mortgaging the future. We may need to disagree on that.
Any realistic idea that this was a Super Bowl or bust team hopefully came from far outside the organization and was not even shared by the limited resource owner or his sycophants - but it played well in Parsippany, Patchogue and Pleasantville, didn't it? No new GM or coach needs to be strapped with the task of rescuing Woody from his own foibles but to be charged only with for once getting this team out of laughing stock territory and into respectability.
Competitive, yes. Ostensibly getting a good coaching staff in there would do that automatically. But fielding a competitive team is one thing - the direction you take to get there comes long before you ever put a product on the field, and that's what I thought we were discussing. Because the firing of the old staff happened in the next few weeks, the hiring of the new one happens a few weeks after that, and in between you have a lot to discuss about how to get your competitive team on the field many months after that. And i think that's where we disagree. And that's fine. The poster formerly known as broomulack - was time for a change.
There is no reset available that will get the job done in a year; it's kind of like trying to gentrify a city's worst slum in a year while leaving no one homeless. The sooner the GM and coaching offices are cleared out, the sooner a realistic plan for the future can be established. Rodgers will be gone in a year or two anyway, Wilson is in the laundry chute, the team just needs to work around them if they stay and get a new program started. Yesterday!
Nowhere did I say we would or could do a one year reset - you either attempt to finish the job or you trash it and start over. The only point I'm trying to make is that if you choose to try and finish it, you leave these guys in place and kill it all next year. You aren't getting a GM to come in here and finish the job. You reset, he comes in and makes whatever moves he wants, which is almost certainly going to include drafting his own quarterback with such a high pick, and that inherently limits your ability to really go for it in 2024. The poster formerly known as broomulack - was time for a change.
It doesn't matter who they bring in. The next guy will suck, just like the ones who came before him sucked. And then the cycle will continue. Then, whoever is in charge in the mid-2030s will trade for an aging Jordan Love and we'll get to relive this nightmare all over again.
Give it a rest.. You're obviously one of the Homers I was referring to. Let me remind you that I am the ORIGINAL DARKSIDER and that is a fact you can look up. I'm not bashing anybody, but you HOMERS always seem to vanish when reality sets in. The week after the jets have a pulse and turn in a NFL caliber effort on the field? you guys shout it from the hills how great things are. Shit has sucked with this franchise for years but the rubes continue to fill the stadium and buy the swag. They also come up with excuses from an endless supply of them to explain away everything. Lucky for homers they're presumably better at their jobs than JD and Saleh are at theirs. You want to talk about Silly? Silly is defending a HC that doesn't know shit about the offense and treats his ineffectual young QB like its his long lost son. Silly is defending spending millions on a 40yo QB and not having a viable plan B. Silly is protecting your reputation as a GM by not bringing in a competent QB to challenge the chosen one you fckd up by drafting. Zach had a good game against the Eagles and for a week, all we heard was how Zach had turned the corner etc. He had a good game against KC and all we heard was Zach had finally "got it". He had a exceptional game against the Texans and the HC damn near came in his pants. We heard from you HOMERS all week how great things were but when reality set back in, crickets so yeah. Tell us again how great Zach is, how its not Saleh's fault he loses twice as many games as he wins. Tell us again how a 41yo QB is gonna suddenly transform this roster into a contender. So yeah, I'm not some braindead HOMER. Never will be until Woody either sells, or gets someone in here that knows WTF they're doing. This franchise depends on HOMERS for its very existence. Someone has to buy the swag. I asked the question where are the Homers? Nothing to say after the team got shutout evidently. Funny thing about the Darksiders is that we're here win or lose. We cheer and we vent. Its what messagaboards are for. You have a plethora of Homer boards on Facebook to choose from. Pick one and enjoy. TGG.com has never been a Homer board. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to change as long as the Jets are the Jests. 3 years in, 16-32 and counting under Saleh. JD"s record is worse. Good thing they work for a owner that doesn't have to GAF if the team wins or not. Oh yeah... almost forgot.. Kal EL.
What has Rodgers done to get that kind of control over this team? Why are we turning the franchise upside down for someone who will be here for a year or two and his potential contribution is unknown? There is no doubt a new GM and coaching staff are needed and a new direction will be set. Knowing that, Rodgers can decide for himself to lead, follow or get out of the way.
I think we're pretty much on the same page - what hasn't been said is that a two year plan, like the Rodgers Gambit, is no plan at all in the NFL; it never should have been. No GM worth his salt would come in and take up where the fired guy left off in a plan so far down the rabbit hole and attempt to make it work on the failed guy's terms. That does not mean he won't find some things in that plan to make work or simply work around because he won't have a deadline to meet and much work to be done that either won't be a problem for a year or can simply be used to mark time while his new plan is instituted. If that means Rodgers is QB1 in 2024, so be it; he'll then need to prove himself while the next QB gets ready.
It was spoken inside the building from what I see. Saleh even mentioned it today . I remember how dark the days seemed one year ago. And no one was even mentioning Rodgers as a possibility. They somehow took mid January and had fans convinced by June that the jets were contenders. Imagine the delusions from this January til June.
Look at the difference between what you wrote and what I wrote. You write about what was spoken; I wrote about what was realistic. You grew up on Long Island, I'm sure you heard the phrase "talk is cheap." I can't blame Saleh for his coachspeak, but I can for his losing track of what's realistic. That goes for his bosses too.
Fully in lockstep in that it should never have happened in the first place. We just have different ideas on what's next, although I think is a very small divergence. The poster formerly known as broomulack - was time for a change.
I realize that you wanted a change, and I like the new handle, but aren't you supposed to switch to an unpronounceable symbol (like Prince did)?
That's EXACTLY what it was. When you've been out of the playoffs and only had one winning season since halfway through the first Obama Administration, then you have to get creative in terms of trying to get asses in the seats.
Without a performance guarantee and a steep discount they won't sell a single new seat this year. Even now, those who bought in the past year may be looking to file a class action suit against the Jets for misrepresenting themselves as an NFL quality team.
