NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. What the hell are you spewing today? "You Guys".... Puhlease..... The facts were known and speculated long ago... It was fairly easy to see Herm had a great friend in KC - The quote you're looking for is "Herm will never get a HC job OTHER than with his buddy in KC"..... Just freaking Making sense here... COMMON FREAKING SENSE. Don't throw garbage around form what "You guys" said...`Unless you can back that up.... I would never say something like that - I know how it works - Herm is an unqualified "coach" who had 1 friend left in a high place... At this point, I'll bet whatever you want that he doesn't get another HC job.
Is it possible through observation to have come to a rational conclussion that Herm was a terrible head coach and therefore as a Jets fan rationally hate him as the HC of the NY Jets?
Winston, I could sit here in front of the computer for hours and never be able to put it better. Herm Edwards, in my mind, called one play in all of his years with the Jets..the knee in Pitt. Thats it. He didnt call another play because he couldnt...and Im even convinced that if you took the Jets playbook and switched it with any other teams and just tore off the cover, he wouldnt know the difference. His explanations after games for certain plays that were called on offense was like watching my 8 year old son describe the meaning of life. Entertaining..yes..but completely out of whack.
Don't even try to compare Dungy with Herm... Dungy was way more qualified and earned what he got.... DUNGY COACHED FOR FIFTEEN FREAKING YEARS BEFORE HE BECAME A HC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY THE HELL ARE YOU MAKING THIS COMPARISON???? CUZ THEY'RE BLACK?????? That's the ONLY similarity other than being buddies. And I'm not saying any idiot off the street can't take Great players and great Assistants and win - I'm saying WHY HAVE A LIABILITY AT COACHES BRAIN???? WHY.... Why not make THAT an advantage and actually get a real coach who can outsmart other coaches like Herm when it matters?
Oh please, all of you herm haters said he'd never get another job. No that wouldn't be possibe, such a horrible HC couldn't take us to the playoffs 3 times and the div rd 2 times. Once maybe but 2-3 times? nope. yes it's b/c they are black not b/c they are both former DBs that are considered players coaches who both had some problems in postseason.
Sorry if I get a little nuts on this topic but, it's Just BLOWS MY MIND when people like junc justify Herm because of a Win loss record... As if a 5 year old who drives his parents car around the block without killing anyone is now therefore qualified to drive...... Junc "Din't you see him turn the corner?????? he signaled and everything" If you know the game, You know Herm is NOT a Head coach..... Simple as that- Everything else is a ton of BS - He's got no "Systems" he doesn't Game plan or make adjustments on and on. He's a figure head - and the only reason KC even went with him was because they thought he'd be the caretaker ona win now team to keep the systems in place when no other REAL Head coach would want to continue the status quo without adding his own thoughts and systems.... Guy doesn't have any so, what does he care.
If Only! Look, I could go on for hours if I had the time at what I think Herm's biggest mistake(s) (can't go for only one, can you) in New York. Not playing Jerricho is a Herm-Out = Cop-Out answer... ...in my "humble" opinion, the worst thing Herm did (and I mean this in all sincerity) is the underhanded way he left... -Sure, I wanted him out - but to do it the way he did it? Honorable mention to the way he handled the situation with Damien Robinson...when the punk took his RIFLE into Giants Stadium right after 9-11. Had Herm suspended him then, I might have respected the man - but Mr. Excuse would not dump on one of "HIS" guys - unless he needed to throw him under the bus... I better stop now or I'll keep going... ...but, when you guys ask why we still talk about Herm on here, ask him why he even answered that question.........??????
Not only did Herm get another job... but the guy took that team to the playoffs too after a number of things happened that most of us believed would stop them from going. Lost his QB, retirement on the OL. His horrible clock mgt skills. Still managed to get in the door come postseason.
We are a franchise that had 8 playoff appearnces in our 40 years before Herm, sorry if I appreciate actually getting to the playoffs. i guess you had more fun w/ a "better coach" in 2000 and missing the playoffs. The record is the bottom line, you are judged on how your teams played not on if you are perceived to be a great X's and O's coach.
So now that we established that you believe any one with a different opinion regarding Herm's ability as a HC is irrational, it's clear we aren't having a give and take dialogue you are merely being argumentative with no ability to grasp an argument on the other side becuase you view it as the ramblings of the irrational. Your entire persona is starting to make much more sense to me.
Those aren't qualifications to me.... "So,you want to be the HC of the Jets".... Are you a players coach? I see you were a DB"...Nice"... 1st question is where are you a GENIUS???? Waat side of the ball did you run, for how long and what units did you turn into top units in this league...START THERE, hey, then after that maybe you can find a guy that's ALSO a plyers coach, ALSO a nice guy and ALSO can preach a bit --- JUST MAYBE THAT WOULD BE SMART???? HELLO?????? See Dungy was a Successful Coordinator - Herm was NOT.... THAT is the difference and the real comparison - It's called EXPERIENCE. WAY too many REAL COACHES were passed up so this BOZO can be the figurehead of a team cuz "He's a players coach and people like him" HOLY CRIPES!!!!!!!
it's the fact that everything herm did here was criticized by folks like you and he was never commended. If we won we won in spite of Herm and b/c of the players while if we lost it was b/c of Herm unlike last year where everytime we won it was b/c of mangini while when we lost it was b/c th players didn't execute. You don't have the success Herm has had by accident. Once again he is not a great coach but he has proven to be a good one and folks like you cannot admit that.
Andy reid was never a coordinator, manigni was one for just one year and didn't do a great job. Dungy has been perceived as a soft players coach much like Herm. he's been compared to dugy alot but now that dungy has a ring it's preposterous, right? What RAL coaches were passed over? We were coming off a 3 year stretch where we lost 3 HCs and one of them declined as again. BB walked out, BP walked out, Gro walkd out then BP declined to come back. Go check the records of the guys who were hired in 2001 and tell me how Herm stacks up and then let me know who the great REAL coaches were that we passed by.
Junc, we have allready established that you believe that I'm irrational when it comes to Herm. If I admited anything positive about Herm which I have on many occassions, what difference would it make? In your mind my opinion is worthless as it should be since it's not based on rational thought nor is anyones opinion who doesn't think Herm was a good coach, we allready established that.
Notice I am not talking wins and losses or calling plays (bungling plays) or playoffs or anything else... ...I found Herm to be dishonest in his approach and his comments - and he was always and still is - always ready to throw anyone under the bus to cover his own mistakes...
NO.. I don't compare what Herm does to the past of the Jets... I compare my coaches to CHAMPIONSHIP coaches... Just cuz the Jets history is lousy doesn't mean I accept Bozo the clown as a HC...... The league is different now - There's parity and a Salary cap - No reason why ANY coach shoudn't get ANY team into the playoffs within a few years - It's the Actual COACHING that helps gets you to the next level and allows you to win it all... We didn't have it and could have gone even further with it. Those teams that squeeked into the playoffs while exciting, gave us ulcers all year, had major weaknesses other than HC and didn't stand a fighting chance..... Yeah, it was fun, It WAS NOT Championship football. Making Comparisons to the Jets past when you weren't even here for most of it is a bit dumb to me.... Hey, wer'e better than 1989 Jets - HAPPY NOW?????? What kind of stupid logic is this?
So i guess you hate every coach we have ever had since Weeb since we don't have a Championship w/ any other coach?
Not good just as no team has had a good record against them BUT we are the only AFC east team to win a div title since the past dynasty started in 2001. beating out a dynasty team for a div ttile is a pretty big deal, no it's not the ultimate goal of a SB Championship but it means alot.
Nope - I said I compare the coaches to Championship coaches..... With Herm there's NO COMPARISON - With other coaches at least they had success at COACHING a part of the game. I like Coaches who study the game and have thier own plan, systems and ideas... Not some Puppet Clown. I'd take Pete Carrol or Coslett over Herm any time... You see, with ANY of these guys, it's shot in the dark somewhat how everything else comes together, injury's, player relationships etc etc.... But, I see Absolutely no reason to start off with a Head coach with no experience or Great knowledge of the game.
