Here it is ... The Smoking Gun

I will tell you what I think a judgement call is...a judgement call is when every receiver has a different ability to keep their feet in. Not one guy does it the same as the next.

For all the refs knew at the time, Baker could be taking ballerina classes and not only would he have both feet in...but he would have been able to get all 10 toes down and dance around the end zone.

A judgement call is saying you know the player..and you know his ability to get his feet down..which are all different.

Heres the real judgement call...by knocking baker out of bounds in the air..the brown defender didnt give you chance to make your judgement..which would be fear on his part that baker would have landed in bounds...no? If baker was truly out...then you dont hit the guy..why hit the guy if there is no chance of ending up in bounds.

There..theres the judgement call.

 

Sorry, I didn't have my official referee handbook on me. Where did you get yours?

 

If you don't know by now that play can't be reviewed, you aren't paying attention.

 

Again... Link? I've seen dozens of similar calls reviewed. In fact I've seen both the fact that the WR was inbounds AND whether he had posession reviewed at the same time.

Please, give me a link to the rules on this so I can rest my mind. And please don't insult my intelligence again. You have no idea how much football I have watched.

 

You can't review that play. the other ref could have oberturned ti, the one that ran to the ref who made the call and looked like he was going to change it but that play was not reviewable. If it was ruled a catch I think they can review just to make sure he actually had possession but as far as the feet go the ruling on the field would stand.

 

Wow,

Arent most posters annoyed that you cant review it? Is anyone asking that the refs should have thrown the rule book in the garbage?

 

This just reminds me of last Season's playoffs, which were totally ruined by inept refereeing. While it's nice to have the Jets in the playoffs, I just love watching every match. No doubt in my mind those were the worst set of games in playoff history, not to mention the highly dubious Superbowl. Now I'm seeing bad officiating in around 50% of the matches, this is what has ruined soccer for me(see the World Cup and just any of the big leagues) and the NFL seems to be going down this route. Not to mention last 2 minute non-reviewable rules that just don't have any common sense attached to them.

 

It's not the refs job to see who deserves the calls on who is winning the game. The ref has to be impartial and they weren't impartial at all. We got hosed big time on Baker's catch.

You can clearly see on the replay and on both angles that it was going to be a catch landing inbounds if he wasn't forced out and when Baker was forced out he still had Possession of the ball. Never dropped the ball at all yet if the refs thought he was going to land out of bounds then it's very simple. LOOK AT THE FUCKEN REPLAY YOU MORONS! Take a walk to the sidelines and look at the damned thing. You want to make sure the right call would be made and they just didn't want to miss their dinner. That's why they didn't want to make any reviews.

Disgusting.

 

At least sites like ESPN.COM are all over the place complaining.,....

Oh wait, they ain't.

It was a bad call. The Jets didn't play well most of the game. But that was still a bad call.....

 

First of all we know they played bad most of the game, but they were coming around and trying to tie the game up and the refs refused to give them the opportunity to do so.

 

An awful, sickening, disgraceful call.

BTW, the difference between the Vinny T. "phantom touchdown" against Seattle and this call is that everyone recognized that it was a horrible call and began to demand IR. With this call, no one other than Jets fans are upset.

Fcuk the NFL and its officials.

Anyone think Rich Eisen of the NFL Network will get to the bottom of this with the supervisor of officiating later this week? What a farce. He'll kiss his ass all though the segment and will let the guy get away with saying "it was a judgement call" and will never point out that it was the wrong call.

The NFL Network covers up for the NFL.

TBTF

 

I completely agree. He was diving PARALLEL to the out of bounds and the hit clearly changed his path. Even if there was a slight chance his second foot wouldn't have landed in bounds there have been MANY plays that have been called "force outs" where there was little chance that the receiver would have landed in bounds. The key to me is would they at least had a chance to land in bounds and in this case the answer is definitely YES and the hit altered his path so much that the call really had to go to the receiver. How they didn't is beyond me.

 

Exactly. Everytime you see that replay Baker's feet were going to land inbounds. If he wasn't pushed/forced out, his legs wouldn't have gone or landed in such a way that he was going to be out of bounds. The momentum of being forced out of course made it look like he wasn't going to catch it.

Once again if they looked at the replay, they get the call right.

 

Replay should be available on EVERY play.

 

totally agree...little leon got his masked pulled several times....

not using it as an excuse, but just pointing it out...

 

There was a few times when chad was hit on the head as well.

 

I think one of those times was on that play even. I'm not 100% sure but I remember seeing an arm come down and smack him in the head. Not something you'd cry foul over but when we've had such ticky tack type calls like that go against us you expect it to even out.

 

I'll never complain (on a non call) about a penalty like that because it's such nonsense. Wanting to protect the players is one thing but when a WR can get absolutely demolished going across the middle when he doesn't even catch the ball and you draw a 15 yard flag for slapping the QBs helmet something is wrong.