Well that's exactly why the comparison is not valid. Comparing somebody's first 16 starts in a rookie season to somebody's first 16 starts later on, is not logical, no matter how you spin it. If you think it's fair, then you need a logic 101 course. There's not enough hard data to compare, plus they are very different types of players. Like I said, give Tebow another couple years in the league, THEN you can start comparing careers. Sanchez and Tebow are BOTH still developing. And don't forget Tebow had a year or so to learn before he really started seeing minutes. Sanchez only had 1 year of college experience then got thrown straight to the wolves and started right away in the NFL. Most rookie QBs go through their struggles. If that was the case with Tebow, his stats would probably be very similar to Sanchez for the rookie year. But it's not, so the comparison is illogical. It's just as valid as comparing Tebow's LAST 15 starts to Sanchez' last 15 starts. It makes no sense.
It's an invalid comparison if the goal or question is "Who is better, Sanchez or Tebow?" But it's a valid comparison if the goal or question is "How horrible was Tebow? Were his statistics an extreme outlier?" For that, you have to just look at some comparators, and Sanzhez is one of them -- junior QB on a run-oriented team.
There you go thinking you know anything about football again. The Patriots only had 12 possessions in the playoff game. A higher possession count game typically comes from going 3-and-out often, and from turning the ball over. You know, things that happen quickly. They dont come from sustained drives. You know, things that Tebow is very bad at. Nice guess though.
He led the league in 3-and-outs because he sucks, not because he was not given and opportunity to succeed. You ignored my post the last time you brought up this stupid Tebow misnomer, so I'll remind you: Source: http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=2512989#post2512989
It would also come from teams scoring basically at will. Try using some logic and thinking it through.
Phaytal...You amuse me... What kind of person follows a QB that is no longer on his team to another MB just to bash him. He's not on your team anymore...Why do you care so much that you feel the need to come over here and convince everyone he sucks?
No. For that you look at Tebows stats and compare them to QBs with similar situations. The comparison is invalid and illogical no matter what question you are asking, and please don't try to pretend that people weren't bringing it up to show Tebow is on par or better than Sanchez when he's clearly not. I love the kid, but you guys really need to get off your knees and stop this blind cock worship fest. People weren't going crazy comparing Mark Brunell to Mark Sanchez last season. There's no reason people should be doing it this year. The goal is for them both to play well and feed off each other's intensity and work ethic. This blind worship of Tebow (and hence switching teams whenever he moves) is ridiculous and its the reason we had to make a Tebow section on this site when there's never been a section dedicated to a single player before on here. All I'm saying is simmer down. Be patient and give Tebow time to develop before proclaiming him as some amazing QB, when he hasn't done SHIT in the league yet. Lets talk about the Jets winning, not one player who's a backup QB.
Being a Colorado native, and a UF grad, I got to see the Tebow idiocy unfold first hand. I watched headlines from every media outlet shift from reporting on the Gators, to reporting on Tebow his freshman year. I watched as he was credited for leading his team to a National Championship as a freshman, when in reality he was an extremely small part of a Chris Leak led team. I watched over the next three years how he was surrounded by arguably the greatest NCAA team ever assembled, yet he received 100% of the praise. And then I watched him choke against Bama in the SEC Championship game when he had the far better football team. Next I got to see my Alma Mater represented globally by a naive Christian fundamentalist, during the biggest sporting event in the world, preaching an anti-abortion message funded by the SPLC documented hate group Focus on the Family. And if that weren't enough of an insult, I got to watch Mike Shannahan get fired and Josh McDaniels get hired, only to gut my offense (Cutler, Marshall, Hillis, Scheffler), and to bring in Kyle Orton, and waste 3 draft picks on who else, but Tim fucking Tebow. Next, I watched as Tim Tebow was showered with praise for single-handedly turning around the Broncos season last year by shitting the bed for the first 55 minutes of every game, and being bailed out by our defense, special teams, and idiotic schemes and plays by our opponents. Finally, in a very bittersweet, but glorious day, I watched as a wasted 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick was given away for a single 4th round pick just 2 years later, in what will go down as one of the worst draft decisions in our franchise's history. Is that enough of a reason? Plus, fucking with the Tebow cult is fun.
So its personal...got it. I already suspected it, but at least it is now confirmed that your assessment of Tebow's on the field play isn't very objective and thus should be taken with a grain of salt. Thanks for your honesty.
This makes me smile. Im happy Tebow ruined the past 6 years for you and Im excited to see the Broncos shit the bed this year. You must have been one of those loners with no friends if you didn't appreciate the national titles our school won...it was one of the craziest party years of my life and I loved absolutely dominating every team we played. Either way do you lose sleep every night for being so affected? you mad bro?
Lol...Its just another example of someone merely being critical of Tebow because they don't share his views... Funny how the only people who bring religion into it are the people who have problems with it....I haven't seen anyone on here talking about how good Tebow is because he's against abortion. Yet Phaytal thinks its a valid reason to hate on someone...:lol:
What "reports" were there that Tebow "led his team" to the championship in 2006? NONE, unless you want to count message boards. And no, he wasn't an "extremely small part, either." He made a significant contribution. 22/33 passing, 5 TDs and an interception. 89 rushes for 469 yds and 8 TDs. That isn't an "extremely small part." Yeah, it's obvious it's personal, and we don't have to wonder what it's about, either.
Well said... I also found it interesting that he had a problem with the SB commercial. I found the content of the commercial pretty harmless. I don't even think the word abortion was mentioned in it.
Are any of you guys Jets fans? You criticize a Bronco fan for being on a Jets board yet none of you are. I see you are all Gator fans typical Gator fans and obnoxious which why nobody likes Gator fans. Stay off the Jets boards Tebow is just not a good Qb face it. The team he had all this great success with let him go for a fourth round pick. The Jets brought him in as a backup not an heir apparent. The only way Tebow starts at QB this year is if Sanchez gets hurt and that is not even guaranteed. Why all the love for an average to below average Qb? Oh he is Gator sorry. So how did your other Gator hero QB fair in the NFL lets see. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WuerDa00.htm Pretty much Tebow numbers. Come on Gator fans get over it Tebow will not start for the Jets no matter how many posts or threads you start or how many stats you try to manipulate to make your boy look good.
I don't think anyone has said that. The thing I enjoy about Tebow are his RUNNING and Big play ability. Im excited to watch him used as a utility player and I would love for the Jets to win!
Dude, you're being silly. Sure, Mark started right out of college, BUT, he also gained the benefit of being the FIRST TEAM QB during that offseason and the TC. Do you understand how important that is ? He then started 15 freaking games. Tebow had his rookie TC as well, but guess what ? HE DIDN'T GET STARTING REPS in that offseason or TC. He was with the 2nd and 3rd string guys. Do you understand that difference ? Tebow had three starts at the end of that season, then there was the labor dispute which seriously shortened the offseason last year. So, let's go through the differences. Prior to his first start, Sanchez had just about all the first team reps in TC and preseason. He then started 15 games. Prior to his first start, Tebow had 2nd/3rd string reps in TC and preseason, then sat on the bench as the 2nd/3rd QB for 13 weeks before getting 3 starts at the end of the season AFTER a coaching change. After another coaching change, AND a labor dispute, Tebow then had a highly shortened TC and preseason, again, as the 2nd/3rd string QB. He then sat for the first 5 weeks before starting. Tell me, just how much more experience did Tebow gain ? He NEVER went into camp as the 1st string QB. He NEVER got any serious first team reps. You know, where the starting QB actually takes most the snaps ? We can do this the easy way. How much more did Sanchez get out of OTAs this year than McElroy ? How many more snaps did he take as the starter ? How many fewer snaps did McElroy get ? You want to sit here and try to say that McElroy got anywhere near the experience from OTAs that Sanchez or even Tebow got ?? You're acting like there was some huge difference and disparity in developmental time and experience. Where was it ? Was it when Tebow was throwing to freaking practice squad players last year before being thrown in as the starter ? Jesus, I mean, if Tebow had started on the 4th game of his rookie year, you'd probably STILL be saying that it's not a valid comparison as Sanchez started a whole 3 weeks earlier than Tebow did. Additionally, this doesn't even address the fact that Tebow's stats through his first 15 starts compare very favorably to Sanchez's stats from his SECOND YEAR as a starter ! You accuse others of cock worship yet you can't even be objective. It's real simple: Comparing their first 15 starts, Tebow's numbers are comparable to what Sanchez put up in his first 15 starts. And, contrary to your opinion, it's not an unfair comparison as it isn't like Tebow had any extra meaningful experience to speak of. As I said, outside of both QBs starting on the exact same week of their careers and playing the same schedule, it's as close to a "perfect" comparison that you can make, and it's one that is done all the time with different QBs. Sure, if a guy sits as the 2nd string QB for 3 or 4 years or more, that would be taken into account, but that's not the situation here.
I agree with that, but you must see the contradiction with that philosophy and with of creating a "Tebow forum." I know it was intended not as a constructive move, but as a dick move to signal that Tebow discussion was somehow lesser or didn't belong, but the unintended consequence of CREATING A SPECIAL FORUM is that you can't really make the "proportionality" argument anymore, i.e. can't really claim that the discussion of Tebow is out of proportion. There are basically two active threads about Tebow right now (why I like him, why I don't), and really it's about 3 or 4 people posting. It's not a big deal. The real issue is you don't think he's a good player. That's fine. It is impossible to hide in the NFL. If you can't play, that fact presents itself sooner rather than later. And that's part of the fun.
Funny thing is that I'm not a Gator fan. I'm a KY Wildcat fan, then a GA Bulldog fan, then an AU Tiger fan, then an LSU fan (in that order). My family is from KY and that is where I live now, which explains my Wildcat ties. I moved to GA when I was 4 and lived there until I was 17, which explains my GA ties. My brother went to Auburn and I had other friends who's family members went there, which explains my AU ties. As for LSU, have no idea why I like them, other than the whole "ragin cajun" mystique thing. BTW, I could go ahead and add that I really don't like Steve Spurrier, I thought Shane Matthews was a pussy and never could understand why anyone would have though that Danny Weurffle (?) was a good QB.
Who said anything about hating Tebow, or this being personal? I certainly dont hate the man. We've met in the past, and he seems like a nice enough guy. I think him using his social status and his Alma Mater to push his religious views during the Super Bowl was extremely irresponsible. I also find his affiliation with a hate group disturbing. But thats where it ends. Everything else is about football. The teams around him at Florida deserved as much or more credit than Tebow was given, and I'm very glad he in not a Bronco anymore. That is about it. You see, Tebow homers always like to think that it is personal when critics critique Tebow's play, and the decision to trade up to draft him in the first round. The fact remains, Josh McDaniels gutted my team, then wasted 3 very high draft picks on a shit quarterback that is no longer in a Bronco uniform a miniscule 2 years later, and that we got absolutely nothing for in return. As an investment, Tim Tebow was abysmal, and his play was not much better. So think what you want about how I feel about Tebow on a personal level. I could care less. I have a far, far bigger problem with Josh McDaniels than I do with Tim Tebow. He is the one that set my team back years, Tebow was just the catalyst.
