The funny thing is, comparing the stats of Sanchez and Tebow is like comparing the grades of two of the dumbest kids in the class. For both of them, you have to look behind the stats and understand the type of situation they were put in, and what they were called upon to do. Their value doesn't yet show up as good stats. Neither one of them has laid down the statistical measuring bar of success -- but showing they are comparable just illustrates that Tebow's not some extreme outlier that needs to be shot.
The fact that they both played different roles for their respective teams, for different coaches, with different players. Of course Tebow had more rushing yards, he barely throws the ball! You can't make any comparisons between Mark Sanchez and Tebow because their careers are night and day different. It doesn't matter which stats, you cherry pick, the comparison is silly and both guys are still developing and haven't reach their potential yet. What matters is the skill of Sanchez NOW and the skill of Tebow NOW. Comparing QB rookie and sophomore years as indicators of who is more skilled than another is a fallacy. Most QBs don't start getting it together until 3-4 years. We can compare Tebow and Sanchez then.
Then you have absolutely no concept of the QB position in the NFL and what consitutes a good one. Scum is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Tebow in the ability to play the position and there isn't a single coach, gm, scout, or talking head that would agree with you.
My point was nobody playing in the NFL "just knows how to win" because more often than not even the great ones lose a ton of games in their careers. Its this hyperbole that gets in my craw. Tebow doesn't just know how to win he has 7 losses compared to 9 wins. Whoop-de-friggin do.
Actually, whether it matters or not depends on what is being argued. I have said repeatedly that Sanchez is the better QB right now and that he should start. Makes sense as he has more NFL experience and is the better passer. BUT, if you are just looking at Tebow and evaluating his performance thus far as an NFL QB and considering his future prospects, then it absolutely makes sense to compare his stats to those of Sanchez. As I demonstrated, Tebow's stats compare pretty favorably to those of Sanchez. For a guy who supposedly can't pass, he averaged only 40 something yards less per game passing than Sanchez, and he had a higher TD/Pass ratio, as well as a lower TD/INT ratio. As to the rushing stats, Sanchez would never survive running as much as Tebow did/does. That's not a knock against him, just a difference in style. Whether you agree or not, the rushing yards that Tebow gets really do need to be included in his totals yards when making any kind of comparison. Lastly, as you said, and I completely agree, most QBs take more than 1 or 2 years to "get it together" as an NFL QB. Then again, I'm the one arguing that Tebow is a young QB who doesn't have much experience, and that it's waaaaaaay to early to judge him a failure or say that he'll "never be an NFL QB".
Now you are demonstrating that you can't, or won't bother, to read what you are actually responding to. I'll repeat the statement: Do you see any mention of Tebow putting up better numbers than Cam, or Cam putting up worse numbers than Tebow ? What was rather clearly stated was that IF Cam had played for Denver, UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS that Tebow was under, Cam wouldn't have put up the same numbers that he did at Carolina. I.e. Carolina's SYSTEM and it's coaches have a lot to do with the numbers Cam put up, AND if Cam had been playing under Fox/McCoy in Denver, his numbers would have been much lower.
Funny thing is that there are a number of HoF'ers,a number of current and former coaches, and a number of current players who say the same thing about Tim Tebow. Saying that he "has IT" and that he has a knack for winning, or just knows how to win certainly doesn't mean that he's going to win every single game. Tell me, if I said "Joe Montana is a frakking winner who simply refused to lose", would you get your panties in an uproar over it and point out that he lost on more than one occassion ??
But you mentioned Tebow in a manner that could be considered positive. Therefore you are a Teboi/Tebonehead/homer etc. and cannot possibly have anything related to a valid argument. So they just read what they want and spit out the hate.
You are a little late to the party, and taking my quote completely out of context. Try to keep up. I was simply pointing out to Demosthenes9 that a season that involves playing 6 ranked teams, and beating them all, with Percy Harvin, is very, very different than playing 3 ranked teams and losing to one of them, without Percy Harvin. He was trying to show that losing Percy Harvin did not change the Gators one bit. I was just showing him that he was an idiot. That is all.
Rofl Denver d>>>>>carolina d. That alone is laughable. You can give tim all the props you want but Newton is inarguably a better qb and player.
I believe Cam is a better QB by far, but you do know that Carolina only gave up 2 more points a game and less than 20 yards more a game. That's not really laughable.
You have no way knowing that. It's called conjecture. For all you know Scum could have done better in Denver. You THINK he could have done or would have done worse but you don't KNOW anything. Big difference...all you are doing is making excuses as to why a real rookie QB is 10x better than your beloved Tebow already.
Yes I would because its bullshit. and oh yeah, I hate joe montana. System QB that won because he had more talent around him than most teams see in 20 years. Walsh was the reason Montana became a legend. you put Joe in detroit and he is Eric Hipple.
Again showing yourself to be a liar and/or an idiot. YOU are the one who brought Percy Harvin into the discussion. YOU are the one who said that Tebow and Florida CRUMBLED when Percy left. I never said that there was absolutely no change. What I demonstrated is that you were completely and absolutely wrong. Yes, there was a very small change, and Florida wasn't quite as good. BUT, they still went 13-1. They ended up #3 instead of #1. Tebow passed for more yards but had a slightly lower passer rating. THAT ISN'T CRUMBLING after Harvin left you half wit.
Of course it's conjecture sunshine. That's something that's done all the time. It's like saying "Mark Sanchez would have done better if he had a right tackle who could actually block". IMHO, the coaching staff at Carolina did a much better job. They provided Newton with some very good weapons on offense AND they truly tailored the offense to his strengths in that they actually ran the Spread Option and Cam did a great job with it. Would Tebow have done as well as Cam did in the same offense ? No, as Cam is a better passer. Would Tebow have done better than he did in Denver ? Yes, I do think so.
