we really needed an edge rusher. I still think josh allen was the pick there. were 3 years later and still need an edge
Yeah, I felt the same way and it really upset me at the time. Quinnen's a pretty good player but I really think he was quite overrated coming out of college. He had one good season of production and it wasn't even hugely productive from a pass rushing standpoint - he had 8 sacks that year. He also didn't wow at the combine. Decent production and decent athleticism yet people were talking about him as a sure thing and there were a lot of Aaron Donald comps being thrown around which was just insane. I remember people saying Quinnen would consistently beat double teams but if you watched the tape that was just blatantly not true, and he got stood up vs. single blockers fairly often too. Typical Mac pick where instead of thinking for himself he just went with the "safe" consensus pick because he had zero ability to actually scout.
Couldn’t agree more! Q was drafted higher than worth. He is nice player, but at #3. Don’t see it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Once again, we didn't really need an edge rusher that badly, because we had a good one that was playing out of position. Taking Allen would have been the same as taking Q once we changed defenses. I'll blame Greg Williams, but misusing Leonard Williams was one of our major follies over the last 5 years. Taking a pro bowl LB would have prevented the lost CJ Mosley years, and the massive contract. The truth was, we didn't technically need Allen or Q.
at least in the NFL from what I've watched on him, he wins single teams a lot and gets double teamed a bunch. the whole d-line is just better when he's on the field because of the attention he gets. we just need some better players around him. He's obviously not aaron donald but he's still one of the best in the NFL. donald is just so far in front of everyone else he was rated the best or 2nd best player in the draft by many so he wasn't over-drafted. we just needed an edge more leo just wasn't meant for a 3-4 defense. he's much better off in a 4-3. finny enough we traded him to a team that ran a 3-4 anyway. allen is fine at DE or OLB he can play both but right now for us he would have been perfect
It's hard to fault us for getting rid of Leonard. His sack numbers in the 4 seasons we had him were 3, 7, 2, and 5. He had his 11 sack season in a contract year and reverted to his average of about 6-7 sacks the next year after. Leonard was another overrated DL who Mac got fooled into drafting because all the draft analysts group-thinked their way into proclaiming him the clear "BPA". The degree to which bad GM's are unable to ignore the noise and think for themselves is wild sometimes.
D. White would have been good pick as well, regardless of where Q was rated, MHO he was not worth #3 pick. Just not a game changer. Winning that meaningless game at end of year, we lost out on Bosa. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Drafting Leo at 6, and Q at 3, then egregiously drafting Adams at 6, then taking Darnold with #3, and giving up 3 2nd round picks to do so. It is just “waste” of draft capital, could have built the future, but in jets style, we squandered it. Glad JD is doing better, with understanding the importance of getting value with those high picks. Building foundation for future. Only pick have not liked, is Mims. The trade down was a disaster, but there is always risks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
He wasn't over rated? He was drafted as a DE and made the pro bowl year 2. Then we out thought ourselves by wanting him to bulk up for more interior play. In two years on the Giants the guy has 18 sacks, 138 tackles, and 55 QB hits, with crap lining up next to him.
Yeah but 11.5 of those sacks came in a contract year. He's pretty clearly a 5-6 sack per year guy at this point. There will be outlier seasons a little above or below but that's who he's been 90% of the time. His average # of sacks across his 7 seasons is 5 per season. Leonard's cap hit is $27 million the next two seasons, Aaron Donald has smaller cap hits over the same time period and he's the best defender of this era and a surefire hall of famer. I think we'd be irate to be paying a guy that much for 5 sacks per year and I think we dodged a bullet trading him. He was never a high effort guy at USC (I watched all of his games there) and I think that's proven to be the case in the NFL as well given the outlier contract year and mediocrity otherwise.
The only knock against him was his single year of production. But Williams was as dominant of a player in college as the country has seen in the past 10 or so years. You can knock that down a notch because Alabama is always loaded with NFL players, but to try to diminish his play because of his sack total is silly. He had 19.5 TFL’s and 71 total tackles (45 solo) while finishing 8th in the Heisman voting and was doubled a lot of the time.
Except Williams lowest sack year is 6.5 with them, not 5, and he was their best defensive player last year. I think your really under rating the impact he is having for the Giants. We didn't dodge a bullet, we let a great DE go and created another hole.
19.5 TFL's doesn't crack the top 120 highest college TFL seasons ever. Quinnen was considered the clear BPA in the draft by the "experts" which I found crazy. He wasn't even a combine standout from an athleticism or measurables standpoint either. I don't think he was a bad prospect and don't think he's currently a bad player but when you're considered the BPA in the draft with one season of production and average athleticism it means you're overrated.
Leonard Williams went 47 games where he threw together 7.5 sacks from 2017-2019. To say there was no one around him in his 11.5 sack campaign is silly. They had the 9th ranked scoring defense and 12th ranked defense in terms of yards allowed and that includes play from one of the leagues best corners in Bradberry and Dexter Lawrence who was the equivalent to what Snacks was his first couple years for us. It’s obvious that Leo’s double digit sack campaign is the outlier.
So? You’re reading too much into raw statistics though and the college game doesn’t play like that. Alabama won 12/15 games by 20 points or more and a lot of those games were won by 30 or more. How many full second halves do you think their star defender played to be racking up TFL’s and sacks? It’s not like when Suh was at Nebraska when a lot of those Big Ten games were dog fights with relatively even matched teams where it came down to the wire.
Too bad all the reasonable fans cant sit away from these ... like an adult section cordoned off from the children
It's good, I wouldn't say awesome. There were a few DT's with more sacks just this past year. The big problem though was everyone had Donald fever when Quinnen was drafted and no one is Aaron Donald. Donald had multiple double-digit sack years in college and freakish combine numbers and he went #13 overall. The number of interior DL who consistently put up big sack numbers in the NFL is almost 0, and it's nuts to take a guy at #3 overall to stop the run.
