I don't mind a QB competition at all. Like it was pointed out above me somewhere, you can't judge Clemens last year because of a horrible OL. Now that the FO is making some serious moves to improve that, another look at both of them would be in everyone's best interest IMO. Also a new and improved line should be a great help to Jones. He couldn't go anywhere last year. I was so disappointed. Maybe this year. Maybe this year. That's been my mantra for years. It's not easy being green.
I think that Chad throws better when he can get his legs and body into the throw. I think that arm strength by itself is a Jeff George trait and as such it's overrated.
It's the NFL. A team shouldn't have a fucking quarterback that has to put his body into the throw to get some velocity on a throw. Throwing on the move is a big factor in today's game. Even when Pennington does put everything he has behind a pass, it is still a weak throw compared to other QBs in today's NFL. Arm strength by itself is...so is accuracy by itself, and that's all that Pennington has physically. It's Kellen Clemens job to lose.
If it's Kellen's job to lose then we'll see how he does in competition with Chad this year. I think that physical traits are part of it, but ONLY part of it. The mental part and the judgment part are also equally important. Otherwise the Jeff George's of the world wouldn't be holding a second candle to the "spaghetti arms" of the worrld like Montana.
Basically what you're trying to do is compare every strong armed QB to Jeff George and Chad Pennington to Joe Montana. Terrible comparison. Joe Montana didn't throw like a girl, and he wasn't the biggest pussy in the history of the league. Pennington isn't worth a roster spot anymore. I don't care how "smart" he is. He lacks the physical talent. 1. Montana didn't have a spaghetti arm. 2. Montana was a winner, and he won by making a lot of great throws. 3. Pennington can make all the reads he wants. We aren't going to win with dump off passes and check downs. Those are the only throws he can make.
Right, if you have a strong arm there's no way you can be intelligent. They're not mutually exclusive. Just because JG had a big arm and wasn't good doesn't mean every QB with a big arm isn't good. This is a stupid argument. Peyton Mannings strong arm doesn't seem to make him a window licker. Pennington has the weakest arm I've ever seen a starting NFL QB have. If you don't want to believe that is holding him back than that's your choice. He's also ALWAYS injured. Time to stop relying on a broken down QB.
How many starting QB's in the NFL are graduates of MIT? Strong arm = stupid, pocket protector = smart.
They're going to keep Chad Mangini isn't stupid- you'd have to be insane to trust that Clemens is a starting QB after last season. Having a good backup QB is an essential part of the modern NFL. You know who would be the backup QB if Chad is gone (assuming he doesn't win the job): we have the studs in FA like Quinn Gray, Byron Leftwich, and Daunte Culpepper. Oh wait, many would say draft a backup. That'd be a brilliant move- have a 3rd year QB who played like a rookie his first year and have his backup be Tui or a rookie QB. Mangini is smart- he's going to carry both QBs and evaluate them in training camp. He doesn't make brash moves and he's going to take his time with this. There is no rush. I was a little down after last season unfairly on him, but I trust him to make the right move. Fortunately, he's not as as impulsive as people on this board.
He dont have time to go deep. Obviously, you don't have time to go school. ...you have to be able to go deep in this league. He's holding us back...good o-line or not.
No I dont have time for school I graduated 10 years ago. Does somebody always have to be a smart ass? If you understood the game its about time. If you don't have time the wr's can not make it down the field to go deep. the qb is rushed into trying to make a play most of the time causing a poor desicion.
I guara-fuckin-tee you that I know more about the game than you. If YOU understood the game, you'd understand that with Pennington, it's not about time. He lacks the arm strength to take this team to the next level. He had plenty of time on all of those out route pick 6's that he's thrown.
How about Favre's last pass in the NFL Championship game this year? It just floated into the arms of the Giant DB. Now Favre has a cannon arm but that wasn't a bullet. I just say there's more to throwing the ball where you want to than mere arm strength.
It should be clear then when either Kellen or Chad wins the competition this year behind a good OL that pass blocks WELL and run blocks WELL, too.
We haven't seen enough of Kellen behind a good OL that pass blocks WELL and run blocks WELL to make a valid judgment. When Chad has had the time behind a pass / run adequate OL he has executed well. This year it should be interesting at the very least.
It was Chad applying the pressure to be benched. No matter how you slice it, he was awful. Despite his interceptions, Kellen still was clearly more effective running the offense than Chad last year, and he was not good either. All the Chad fans want to blame the OL, but Clemens had the same OL, and in the last two games a lot of rookies, and no Coles. And he was still more effective. So he should improve with a better OL as much or more than Chad. Which means there is ZERO reason to even consider letting Chad play again. Also, in the quote above, which everyone says points to a competition it is never actually said. It is everyone just reading that into it. Mangini showed NO confidence whatsoever in Chad in the NE game. Chad had one of his patented reasonably high QB rating, but totally useless and ineffectual performances. I would be shocked if Chad is seriosuly being considered for starter next year. It is all rhetoric to keep his value high in case they decide to move Chad. Period.
Can we just stop this nonsense already. This debate is a waste of cyberspace and RAM. BOTH QBs were negatively impacted by the Jets horrible OL, lack of a running game, and a defense that could not get off the field. Rather than debate each other about who knows more about football or make ridiculous comments about Pennington and Clemens, why don't we just wait and see how the CS plays it this year. It is the beginning of March and the FO and CS are just starting to shape the 2008 team. With an improved OL and defense, it is not unreasonable to expect both QBs to be dramatically better in 2008. To say that Clemens will never be good is premature ( I have been guilty of that myself). To say that Pennington lacks courage and can't play in the NFL is absurd (he's made the playoffs three times).
