I've never been a big Carson Palmer guy. If you were to trace back TGG to pre 03 draft I understood why he was going #1 but had very little faith in him living up to his hype.He was far from consistent in college & all of his swansong highlight reel plays were of his wide receivers being completely wide open 50 yards down field. He was surrounded by big time talent & while extremely talented he was never dominant. We'll continue to disagree about Hack's ability to develop into a franchise caliber QB but I'm right there w. on Palmer.
His accuracy on seam passes is pretty remarkable given the deficiencies in the rest of his route tree. He's also pretty good at throwing the post and corner route. Really, he struggles the most when the receiver's route only has a horizontal component (ins, outs, slants). For whatever reason he just seems to be able to judge it better when the receiver is moving downfield.
You're actually wrong as wrong could be. First and foremost I'm a big time college football (FSU) fan and followed the Jerry Sandusky story closely (on a daily basis) due to my older brother having graduated from PSU along with what JoePa (Joe Paterno) meant to the college ranks. I can not speak for all of you, but myself personally; I'm actually fully aware of and very familiar with the overall situations, scenarios, sanctions and overall punishments that Hackenberg quarterbacked under throughout PSU's probation period. Certain types of fans will talk about Hackenberg's "box-scores", "accuracy" and/or "completion percentages" but completely fail to mention anything else. It's became a joke at this point. The relationship between O'Brien and Hackenberg is well documented. You've just gotta be a college football fan to appreciate and understand it. The significantly reduced amount of scholarships to players in which PSU could offer (while Hack was under Center) is well known (although rarely talked about). And last but not least the actual reason(s) on why Hack was playing behind a makeshift type of horrendous and disastrous O-Line is universonally known (although rarely talked about while harping all over "accuracy"). It was due to PSU players transfering to different schools (without restriction) following O'Brien's departure after Hackenberg's Freshman season. But hey. Let's not let a multitude of fact's get in the way while harping all over Hackenberg's "NCAA Completion Percentage" (which is down right laughable). I also find it intriguing how a young Hackenberg absolutely flourished (under Center) while having a true #1 WR on the outside under O'Brien's system in Allen Robinson throughout his Freshman season (97 receptions, 1,432 receiving yards and 6 TD receptions). Was rated as the #1 QB within the Nation (as is Darnold of USC today) while heading into his Sophmore year. Already makes me think ahead to next years offseason regarding potential UFA WR's for Hack to work with such as a DeAndre Hopkins, Sammy Watkins, Alshon Jeffery, Jarvis Landry, Jordan Matthews and yes, Allen Robinson himself in order to create for a PSU reunion. You see. This doesn't mean that you have to, but i actually pay attention to all of the above when trying to evaluate a 2nd year player who's yet to see the field. Especially as a college football fan i make sure to take note while talking about "accuracy" and "completion percentage". I feel sorry for those who don't. (P.S: For anyone who followed the Sandusky scandal or just Penn State Football in general under Joe Paterno for all of those years, i highly recommend that you watch the Film-Documentar of "Happy Valley" in which was created shortly thereafter).
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/v..._Overall/538726b9-fc26-4668-9ef9-edb088695469 Check out this search light they put on Hack
Hackenberg is still very young at the age of only 22 but when judging the overall ability and potential of Hackenberg, i like to date back to his Freshman season with PSU; due to 3 reasons. 1.) He had a good head coach at the time in Bill O'Brien. 2.) He had a true #1 WR on the outside in Allen Robinson in which he loved to utilize. 3.) His Freshman year was the last time in which he actually had a competent O-Line for pass protection. He had plenty of great games during his Freshman season but i believe his best performance came during week #12. The Final game of the season @ Wisconsin against a very good (at the time) 9-2 Badgers team. It was a pretty cold day in Madison, Wisconsin and a young Hackenberg went on the road and performed in their house. To the tune of 21/30 (70%), 339 passing yards, 4 TD's/0 INT's, 0 sacks and a QB Rating of 208.9. Highlights can make anyone look good but this isn't the case. Throughout his Freshman year the kid was really, really good. He flourished under Bill O'Brien as his head coach, he dominated alongside of All Robinson as his #1 WR and he actually had a fighting chance behind his O-Line (at the time). You can not teach his overall physical attributes. His size is great/ideal and his arm strength is top of the line/top notch. I'll be and am really pulling for this kid.
I wanted to keep Decker, also ...I think he, along with Forte , could have been good veteran leaders to bring these younger guys along. It's like Chris Rock said about OJ..." I don't condone it, but I understand".
I venture to say most people have no clue as to what the kid went through in College. Apparently they think that he self transformed from very good in his first year to shitty in successive years all on his own, not one bit of it caused by a new system and coach that shifted from leveraging his strengths to destroying them, and a level of talent that was totally decimated by the scandal. Through it all what remained constant was his class, his acumen, smarts, his physical attributes and arm strength and his love of the game. But all we note is his lack of accuracy, without ever mentioning it was behind a putrid OL, mediocre WR and a hamstrung system. No one seems to be concerned that last year neither Gailey nor Bowles did shit to work with the kid, our QB coach did even less but critique. Instead these clowns were busily working on improving a lame duck QB with no arm strength, coupled with a system that did not use the TE at all for a game plan were most of the passes were short range. What a freaking joke that was. Through it all, how many reps and work did this poor kid get last year? Zippo. Yep, that is a good way to develop youth. Red shirt his ass so Fitz gets more reps. Talk about incompetent leadership. Percent complete is one freaking measure of success at the NFL level. And it is hugely dependent on a number of factors. There is so much more to being a great QB than accuracy is not even funny. If that is Hack only problem we might be pleasantly surprised. He is as smart as Penny with a real live arm. That is what I want. But it all starts with great coaching and leadership. Something the Jets have not had since time memorial.
I don't think Hackenberg is as good as he looked freshman year at Penn State or as bad as he looked the other years. Obviously by now we've all discussed the difficulties he endured at Penn State his soph and junior year, but if we're gonna bring that up, and that's fine, we have to consider that he was bailed out quite a bit as a freshman by Allen Robinson who was/is a sensational wide receiver. Which is why I'm saying he wasn't as good as he looked freshman year and that's fair. Your take on last year is right on though. Carrying 4 QBs was a terrible idea and didn't help him develop as much as it should've. However, Geno Smith was knocked out for the 2nd half of the year so he was getting more reps down the stretch. But yes, would've liked those reps during training camp for sure
Great points. Good take on Robinson. But I'm encouraged with his ability to stretch the field of play. Something we so desperately need to be a contender.
To think we could've had Robinson. He raped us in 2015. The thing about Hack that people like is that he's a very smart QB, he can make all the reads on the field, get the team in the right position to make the play. Temple game his Junior year, is just a great film to watch because he struggles against this NFL caliber defense but you can see the chess match between Hack and the Temple Defense. He's not like the other counterparts like Geno, Petty, Fitz all of them struggled reading the field. I still think the Jets wasted a year in terms of his development and could've been farther along by now.
