To be honest, after the combine, I had written Spencer off. To me, he's the 2nd best LB on the board, and the best one (starts with a P, but I dare not try to spell it) is a 4-3 OLB. If we can pick up Spencer, I'd line him up right outside Vilma on the weak side, with Hobson and Thomas covering the strong side. Nothing against Barton, whom I like, but that would be my starting 4. Oh my. Throw a legit 3-4 NT into the mix and you and I could be the starting CB's on the Jets.
Well since a 3-4 OLB is pretty much just an undersized 4-3 DE who can drop into coverage, a lot of guys could possibly get more consideration because they may be better pass rushers off the bat since Spencer's biggest knock seems to be that he's not too creative with his pass rush muves and generally only bull rushes. You can probably put the following players in front of him as being potential 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB "tweeners", with similar physical builds and such: Gaines Adams Jamaal Anderson Jarvis Moss Charles Johnson Posluszny (is that right), like you said, is a 4-3 OLB and doesn't fit our scheme so I'm not coulting him or Lawrence Timmons of Florida State. However, you've got 4 prospects who will most likely go in front of them with Adams, Anderson, and Moss probably being top 15. Between 26 and 25, I only really see the Broncos or possibly the Pats going 3-4 OLB, so there is a chance that he's there. Also keep in mind that although Quentin Moses' stock is falling like a rock after his average senior season and his terrible combine, somone may take an early shot at him when taking into consideration that this guy might've been top 15 had he come out last year. Like I said, it's iffy but if Spencer goes before us it will probably be within 3 or 4 picks of #25. I'd love to see him in green though, I'm not gonna lie. If he's gone, even though a bit of a reach with his lowering draft stock, I've liked Moses for a while now and I think that Mangini would be able to get his head on straight and get him back to producing at the level he did as a junior.
You are dilusional. He had 1 TD his whole junior year, 1. Just in case you missed it, 1. But yet you write catches TD's like the avg WR?
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Because of his combine? Did you read anything? He came out to early, didnt play a full junior season and had 1 TD this year. Tell me why he is a FIRST rounder?
Did you even watch him at the combine? He was heads and above every other te there. He caught the ball with his hands effortlessly. Watching him catch passes and even moving after the catch was awesome. He has some serious skills. and a 6'5'' target in the Red Zone is just what Chad needs.
Yeah, pretty tough catchin passes at the combine, you know, with all the LB's and CB's on him. Of course he was head and shoulders above the rest, this years crop of TE's isnt that great. Hes not our first rounder, bottom line.
Jamal Anderson is no 3-4 OLB. At best, he's a Seymor-esque 3-4 end. Very tall, weighing in around 300, and strong.
Thats not my point. This guy did nothing special his college career. You say hes a good red zone target, he had 1 TD as a junior. Hes not known for blocking, came out early, and missed 2 games during the year. 12.2 yds a catch, nothing spectacular, definately not 1st round. Potential isnt a 1st round risk, and a good combine isnt either.
guys i would be surprised if he lasted past pick 20..... shockey was around 15 or so.... and this guy appears to be as good without the mouth.... but those that are rubber stamping taking this guy at 25 are correct. it would represent value AND give the offense another much needed weapon. would rather make the bold move for c. johnson but without the higher 2nd rounder that looks to be wishful thinking :-( jil
there shouldn't even be a combine (i think that's what you meant to type sarcastically anyway), but i completely agree. there shouldn't be. it makes people like you think that he's going to be a good player because he can run fast. let's go pick up everyone from Cool Runnings while we're at it. they picked up bobsledding pretty quickly. think of how quickly they could pick up football with that speed! please stop taking so much stock in the combine. if you can't produce well in college, you're not a good football player. drafting him anywhere above round 6 is a mistake. the combine is also the same reason someone is going to draft a RB that has insane measurables and insane timed speed in like the 3rd round (See: Chris Henry). you'd be surprised to see that his production is probably the worst i've ever seen of a RB who's declared early. i wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole and same goes for greg olsen. i'm gonna go work on my 40 and hope that there's a GM at the combine next year like you
As much as I like Olsen as a person and player(coached against his Wayne Hills team when he was there) I would be very wary about taking him that high. He wasnt overly productive at Miami, had alot of drops and tends to have alot of minor injuries. Wish him the best and hope he gets a nice signing bonus, just not for Ganggreen.
Alright, fine, then his combine stats in general (which includes the 40 time by the way). Regardless, please bring to my attention anywhere in this thread where you mentioned Olsen's actual football production (because that's what really matters). Notice there's nothing you can say about his production that shows he's worth a Day One pick. The only mention of any sort of production in this thread from anyone has been about his high school abilities. Who cares? He didn't make it in college. Now he's leaving early, shows that he has talent but still sucks, and for some reason, people on this board think he's the next great TE. He has a MUCH better chance of never seeing the field.
