Clemens has also pitched a lot longer. Pedro has 3 Cy Youngs at 33. At 33 Clemens had... 3 Cy Youngs.
3 Cy Youngs is a big deal. Would you say John Elway was a bum because he only won 2 SBs compared to Terry Bradshaw winning 4 SBs?
Of course it's a big deal to win 3 CY's but he doesn't have half the CY's that Clemens has- don't you think 7 is a MUCH bigger deal? Comparing SBs to CY's is a bit silly. CY's are individual awards, There's little doubt to me Elway was a better vQB than Bradshaw but Bradshaw had a much better team around him which is why it took until his 4th trip to win a SB. Where did i say pedro was a bum b/c he "only" has 3 CYs? i just noted Clemens has had the better career and more tha doubling his Cy's tends to support that.
Theyd didn't hand out AL MVP Awards from '15-'21 and '29, in '20 and '21 he easily would have won the MVP and most liekly in '29 as well.
We can argue Cy Young awards, and who has had the better career, but the dominance we saw from Pedro from 97-03(he didn't pitch enough innings in 01 to qualify but he was having another excellent year) is damn near unparalelled. Pedro led the league in ERA, WHIP, H/9, K/9 in 97, 99, 00, 02, 03, and finished 2nd in 98. Now Clemens deserved the Cy in 98 but Pedro should have 5 awards by now, not 3. Of course in 02 the idiotic voters were dazzled by Zitos 23 wins, despite the fact that Pedro was clearly better then him in every category. In 03 he again was the victim of a low win total and robbed of the award.
What about 02 and 03? He was as dominant as ever from 01 through 03 but after the injury Boston seemed to be quicker with the hook and he pitched a few less innings.
'97-'02 taking out '01 b/c of injuries. In '03 he began to wear down and struggled against the yanks in the postseason. he wasn't lights out anymore.
#2 in what? of this list pedro should be behind: (in no particular orer) Clemens Johnson Seaver Gibson Koufax Carlton Rivera
He was still easily the best pitcher in the league. A couple mediocre postseason outings don't change that.
He's a reliever, closers rarely win CY's. Mariano is quite possibly the best postseason pitcher of all time and is the best closer in the history of the game. CY's factor in to this discussion but aren't the sole judge.
