It's way too early to anything other than say Becton could develop into a top end starter and won't bust (other than for injury). He was a good pick in terms of value and need. Mims and Hall look like future starters but maybe not top end ones, and there's a couple of other picks who might develop into this. Mann deserves neither the love he got or the criticism from some on here. He was okay but seemed to outkick his coverage all the time to me. That may, of course, be more on his coverage team. Edwards seemed to get significantly better in year 2, so it is quite possible that Mann will too. He's done little to suggest he's worth paying at the end of his rookie deal to date.
The fact that teams were putting their best corners on him probably says something about his potential, and the Jets' other options.
Yeah I don’t the limited upside angle for being shutdown by a Top 5 corner, during an injury and Covid ravaged season where we knew he’d need refining on his route running. Mims was always a guy who was going to make a 2nd or even 3rd year leap.
Davis was drafted on ceiling and potential, not on what he would do his rookie season without mini-camp, OTAs and preseason.
Perine was the only pick I didn't like after the fact. I wanted another WR too, but I think Davis will be fine, and I have no problem with the Morgan pick.
I disagree with an F for Morgan. I think he was a solid pick. One never has enough QBs and Morgan was a solid prospect. He could be our backup QB for the next 10 years. I would rate the players like this: Becton - A+ he struggled some with injuries and struggled a little later in the season with speed rushers. I think he has HOF potential and I love the pick. Mims - B+ I think Mims played extremely well considering his hamstring issues, no mini-camp, OTAs, or preseason, and having to deal with Sam at QB. Mims showed his true potential with Flacco. I think at a bare minimum, Mims will be an excellent #2 WR, but I think he can become an elite #1 WR. Davis - C+ He definintely struggled some, but again, he came to football late, was primarily a track star until high school or college, then didn't have mini-camp, OTAs or a preseason. He is also more of a FS than a SS. I think he has the potential to be playmaking stud in our secondary. I can easily see him as an A in a year or two. Zuniga - D- I wasn't wild about this pick, but could understand taking an Edge, and he has potential. I would rather have taken a WR here, but will hope that Zuniga pans out as at least a solid backup/role player Perine - C I didn't like this pick at all. He is too slow. He looked better than I thought, but still think it was basically a wasted pick, and the Jets would have been better off taking a WR or TE in this spot. Morgan - Inc I think he has potential to become our long-term backup. Gase never had any intention of playing him as he knew he needed to win. Clark - Inc I have hopes for him, but we'll see. Hall - B+ I think he will become our #2 CB and will be a good player for us and a solid A Mann - A- Mann adjusted his style to accomodate our relatively slow gunners and STs players. His strength is kicking the ball a long ways. He showed that he is more than just a great leg with his tackling ability. I think this was a great pick and he will be an A+ going forward I think this draft was very good, and quite possibly a great one.
Sorry, gotta disagree with you. There's no way Sam is anywhere near a B or B+. Because of the lousy OL, lack of topnotch skill position players around him, and lousy coaching, he is graded on a curve, but at best he gets a C-, and it really should be more a D or D-
Yeah, well my main point is he shouldn't be an F. I think you could give him a B in 2018, a B in 2019, and then a D or F in 2020, averaging out to a B- or a C. Like I said, if you want to factor in what the Jets gave up for him, and that they could potentially be done with him, then I get giving him an F or F-. As a player, I still say B or C. That is unfortunate, because entering the league I truly felt he could be an A+.
I’m pretty much with you, just maybe a click lower. I think Becton was a great pick, but to me A+ would have been a pro bowl type season, right? If A+ is the highest grade, that implies he couldn’t have done any better, but to me, I’m a little concerned with the minor injuries that caused him to miss some games. But that’s nit picking really...I love the pick. A/A+ semantics really Mims yah I’m ok with a B....missed a bunch of time and no TC .... the numbers weren’t really there but it was a bad team and Darnold did him no favors....he passes the eye test for me. Not sure if he’s fast enough to truly be a game breaking WR1 but I do see him as a solid WR2. I’m not as high on Davis based on production, so the C is really more on potential...which is fine for a third round pick Zuniga was not a good pick unless he puts it together going forward....could easily be an F as he missed a lot of time and didn’t do jack shit when he played....don’t even know if he registered even so much as a single tackle. D is only for potential Perine to me is a D and that’s generous...I don’t know how much is Gase but he was outplayed to my eyes by both Ty Jackson and Josh Adams, so that’s not a great sign....maybe our new scheme will help him, but he looked like an undrafted free agent to me Don’t really know what to say about Morgan as we never saw anything out of him with no preseason. I think we had enough needs that we could have used a fourth round pick on a position player that could have contributed something, but I don’t really have an issue with drafting QBs if the value is there....if he turns out to be a good backup then I’m fine with it. Hall was a great pickup in the fifth round....played pretty well and as a 5th rounder can’t ask for much more I agree with the rest of the analysis So I think it was a pretty good draft, but it doesn’t scream GREAT to me. No rookie of the year type guys...And outside of Becton, they seem like good to pretty good players with a couple of starters in Becton and Mims, maybe Davis and Hall. Not bad. But I don’t see any guys who really bring us to another level other than Becton if he can become a consistent pro bowl type guy. more of a draft to restock a very poor roster with decent to pretty good players, but no real difference makers like say, an Odell Beckham or a Khalil Mack or Von Miller or Mike Evans....you know, guys that the other team needs to game plan around. We don’t have ANYONE on our team like that....maybe Q can get there. But this is one of the reasons I’m so hesitant to trade away three first round picks for Watson....we need difference makers, and hoping we find them with two first round picks in the next three years and some second rounders doesn’t fill me with a ton of hope.
I agree that A+ is high for Becton for this past season. It was more grading the pick an A+ for taking him and for his potential. I agree that with the injuries and struggles later in the season, he was probably more a B+ or A-. With regards to Mims, does a #1 WR have to be a speed demon? I would prefer that, but a poster or two pointed out last year some other #1 WRs in the NFL that are pretty darned good and aren't all that fast. I think he runs 4.45 or somewhere in that area. To me, that's fast enough to be a #1 WR. Davis didn't produce a lot this past season, but he is a solid tackler, and was playing out of position. I may be mistaken, but I don't think he had ever played as a box safety before. He was a free S in college. I think he's better as a coverage S rather than an in-the-box type. I agree that Zuniga showed little or nothing this past season. I don't believe that he was healthy until later in the season, but may be mistaken. At any rate, he may be the worst pick that Douglas made. He really needs to show something this year, or he could be gone. I think D is too low for Perine. If he had been a 2nd round pick, or maybe even a 3rd, I would agree with you, but he was only a 4 th round pick. He never got enough carries to get into a groove, either. Some RBs take a number of carries to get into a groove. I think he's that type of RB. I agree that Johnson and Adams looked better, but they are faster/quicker and were veterans, so they had an edge on him. For a rookie with Gase as his HC/OC, I think a C is fair as he actually had some nice runs that I didn't expect from him. I'd love to replace him this year, but doubt that they'll give up on him so soon, especially since he's so cheap. If Adams is re-signed, I do think that Perine ought to start out #3 on the depth chart and have to earn carries and playing time. As far as I'm concerned, he may wind up being a D or even an F pick, especially since JD took him rather than a WR or CB, but we did need a RB, and Perine was pretty good for Florida, so I can't totally fault him. In terms of 1st season production, I think it was a good to very good draft, but I think it has the potential to become a great draft. Maybe that's high, but I'm so used to horrible drafts that its potential looks very high to me right now. I think Becton will become an All Pro LT and one of the best in the game. I think Mims will become a star WR even if it's just as a #2, and I think Davis can become a stud, with Mann hopefully becoming a Pro Bowl punter, and Hall a solid starting #2 CB, I can't help but see that as pretty great. If the Jets get anything from Zuniga, Perine, Clark and/or Morgan at all, it will definitely be a very good draft, and more likely a great draft imo.
