That wasn't the question, though. I'm asking what role you see them actually having in the offense. In other words, what production do you think either back will have this season? Woodhead can be a limited time playmaker for 4 weeks while we wait for Holmes to return, but when would Washington even see the field? I can't see the wisdom in keeping him for the 10 carries he might squeeze out this season. And I haven't seen anything to tell me he won't clear waivers. I suppose it's possible, but teams looking for an emergency back are really going to be looking for one thing: ball control. He's coughed it up twice (whether ruled a fumble or not on the 2nd one), and that will certainly play into teams' decisions.
Seriously? You want me to go back and find examples from 2005 between the preseason and season? I remember him being called a potential bust on ESPN and the CBS pregame shows before the first game of the season. I'll check, though. Here: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-notebook101205 This was discussing the beginning of the season/end of the preseason. Absurd questions about whether he appeared to be a bust. Just like we're seeing now. The difference? McKnight's a fucking fourth rounder.
He stays for at least one season they staff will not admit a mistake on this. But they won't and should not put him in game situations til he learns how to hold on to the freaking ball. Between washinton and woodhead I take woodhead. washinton runs harder but again I hate fumbles and woodhead can line up at the slot and just seems shifter
They were calling him a bust. It is a fact. I heard it a thousand times over. I am not saying Dolphin fans are sane, I haven't met many that are. They were insanely jealous over Cadialc Williams they thought Saban took the wrong Auburn guy and man they were pissed. BTW It sounded like you were trying to argue with me over something I didn't say and I didn't quite understand why. I was just trying to help you out too.
I like what I've seen of Washington on special teams. It isn't so much a question of how many carries he gets, as long as Greene and LT stay healthy. If one of them gets dinged, I don't want to see Woodhead getting 10 carries, I think Washington is better depth.
Yes, I don't care what some yahoo in the media says or some irrational fans. No sane people thought Ronnie Brown was a bust w/ limited action in 2 preseason games. Argue? me? come on:up:
I never said the people were sane. My whole point was that it was absurd to call him a bust just like people are calling McKnight a bust right now. Again, though, the questions were more widespread than just 'some yahoo in the media'. His fumbling problems and his injury had a lot of people questioning what was going to happen on that first day of the season, particularly the talking heads on the major network preshows. As it turns out, he came out and...didn't allay their fears.
Thats my take, the talent is there. He is shifty enough to make guys miss, is sturdy enough to run between the tackles, has good receiving skills, and the speed to take it the distance or turn a 5 yard gain into a 20 yard one. His biggest problem is ball security, as it is with almost every young back in the league. Yes, he could run harder, but thats not exactly his style. He's never going to be greene, but has the talent to be a very good third down back in our offense.
HAHAHAHAH Silly me, .....lol BTW It was radio personalities too. You have to understand Saban was a Mangini type. So he would cause people to act idiotic as they hope he would be wrong. He was not liked very much. Even though they were fans of the Fins they wanted him to fail. You see that here all the time as well, very weird mentality.
Jet fans over react in the pre season. Champ is one negative old SOB. Junc will argue almost anything to death. These are facts of any TGG.com football season. Its a good feeling when they roll around every fall. :smile:
Brown has been somewhat of a bust mainly b/c he cannot stay healthy. When healthy he's a top back but he's never healthy and has had just one(barely) 1,000 yd season in his career. It's way to early to label McKnight a bust but he hasn't shown us a thing. He was being counted on to help this team this year and it doesn't appear that will happen. It's very disappointing to see b/c we gave away a guy like leon for nothing and drfated Mcknight thinking he was a younger, cheaper version and it hasn't happened yet but there's alot of football to be played so hopefully he eventually gets it.
FTR, I think both Washington and Woodhead will make the team. I also don't think either will play on offense. They're not going to be kept for anything but their special teams play and as garbage time running backs. That's fine with me because they're both good ST guys. As for McKnight, he'll either be active and getting 2-5 snaps a game by week 6, or he'll be unemployed. It's not a quesiton of talent, it's a question of desire, and that's the message Rex sent him last night. He'll watch the Jets play Baltimore. The big question is, will he watch them play the Pats as well?
I don't want to broach this, but is it disconcerting to anyone else that Ryan appears to want to cut McKnight for being a lazy sloppy player but apparently doesn't have the pull to do so? It's like Tannenbaum is making Rexy keep a player that Ryan despises
I really think we drafted McKnight as a project. There was no reason to draft him to heavily contribute this season after LT was signed. I certainly think they expected him to be able to hold on to the ball, though, and that's where the disappointment comes from. The team could have held on to Leon for this season and lost him for nothing, but I'm guessing they figured his contribution would be minimal if healthy too. They didn't bring in LT to sit on the bench. It was a tough spot to be in when the offseason started. LT is available, and you have no idea how healthy Leon will be. Once they landed him, they could afford to wait on Leon. Once McKnight was available with that 4th round pick, though, they saw a guy in McKnight who had the potential to be an even better RB, and someone they didn't have to worry about resigning after this season. There was little chance Leon was a Jet in 2011. Now, they're stuck waiting and hoping McKnight develops. It's not the worst position to be in this season, but the frustration with the fumbling is more than warranted. He had that problem in, I believe, his sophomore year before fixing it.
I was their, his legs look like chicken pokes. I in now way want to see him cut, I may not be happy with his preseason performance but it is not like he's vital to us at all right now. I hope he can one day replace LT- I was looking up Leon's rookie stats since he was also a fourth rounder. I was surprised to see how well he did. BUt Leon was special, someone was saying that earlier.
This is something critical that people don't consider. It's almost a definite that Leon would not have been a Jet in 2011. With all the contracts coming up running back was more than likely going to be a position where we'd cut corners to keep guys like Mangold and Harris. When the opportunity presented itself to swap out a player who wasn't going to be more than 1 out of 4 downs player anyway, it made sense to take a chance on a project player. Fumbling can fixed. McKnight's problems are entirely contained between his ears. Concentration and desire he lacks, but talent and skill he does not. It's amazing how people are so quick to write guys off (and I've admittedly been guilty of it myself.) Give the kid a chance people.
Do you actually watch college football? Most of those numbers came from inferior teams, plus he was on USC, which was more of a passing threat and gave him more running lanes. I really think the conversation in here missed the point. Comparing him to Washington, Woodhead, Leon, Bush, Greene or anyone else is irrelevant. The focus is on HIM. What can HE do for this team? And the facts are (1) he came to his FIRST minicamp completely out of shape (2) was throwing up from simply running (correct me if I'm wrong, he is a RUNNING back right?); (3) failed simple conditioning tests; (4) fumbles if someone sneezes at him; (5) when he's not fumbling, he can't find or hit a whole; and (6) but for one game, hasn't looked all that great in special teams either. If he didn't go to USC, and he weren't a 4th round pick, I doubt he'd have so many supporters. But, as I've said about Gholston for the past 2 years, I'd LOVE to be proven wrong and eat crow (and sorry, that shit STILL hasn't happened with Gholston either).
Leon was pressed into action by a subpar RB committee and injury, and he performed quite admirably, especially for that early-mid stretch when we especially needed him. I was always surprised the CS didn't feel comfortable giving him heavier carries after that rookie year.
