I think Mac was fired because if the Gase power play. CJ realized things could not work with both of them here and even if Gase was to blame Mac was the easier guy to fire. It is hard to fire a HC after a couple of months. Firing an unpopular GM with a poor record is much easier to do. The bottom line here is Gase should be on notice that his time here could be short. If he does not win this year he is likely gone. Even if the Jets do win in spite of the HC like we did with Mangini, his time here is likely short given his inability to play well with others. I would suggest Gase should rent rather than buy a house.
lol....love to see the Jets win in spite of Gase. That's hilarious... Maybe we should go "coachless" for a season or two and see how it goes.
I want no part of this guy from Seattle’s FO, the fact that they are even interviewing someone from that FO is beyond scary. I can’t imagine there has been a worse drafting team than Seattle over the last 5-6 years.
The team is set-up to win. An improved defense with Mosley, a healthy Maye, Q. William's making L. Williams better and making it easier on our edge rushers. The defense should be dangerous with G. William's running the show. The offense should be very good with Bell, Crowder and Ose all making Sam's job much easier. Gase should be a big upgrade as the OC over Bates. Sam hopefully, will make the jump. This is a very good and talented team that should be able to win despite whatever drama Gase causes. Mangini was hated by his team but the team still won in spite of him due to having arguably the most talented team in the league in 2008 with a total of12 pro bowl players and alternates. But once Mangini was gone then they really made a huge leap. Hopefully, the same thing will happen with Gase and we will make progress before making a huge leap once we have a coach that players will want to play for. Mangini and Gase both are somewhat similar. It took about 2 weeks into Manginis 1st camp before rumors started filtering out that there was something seriously wrong with Mangini. Gase, well he is quite ahead of Mangini's schedule. Those rumors started before he was hired here and have only been confirmed a few months into his stay with the Jets.
In terms of the bold, this has yet to happen with Gase/Anyone in his previous and now current place of employment. Gase himself has a lot to prove in terms of functional collaboration.
Gase is not a personnel man, and we need to somehow attract a quality candidate to this mess. It would be moronic for the Jets not to offer the GM final say on the 53........which means that it is very possible they won't. I thought Joe Douglas would be an easy choice, so I find it a little concerning that this will drag out longer. They could just be doing due diligence, but still.......there's little reason to have faith in either Johnson or Gase in this process.
Mangini immediately sent Mawae packing, and then tried to embarrass Pete Kendall by rooming him with rookies. He was afraid of anyone who could challenge his authority. Did the same shit in Cleveland by painting over all murals, and ostracizing guys like Jim Brown from the organization. Things went well here that first season with Mangini while the team was winning. At first sign of adversity the players completely quit on him though. Let's hope Gase doesn't follow that pattern.
Mangini doubled down on his ego and craziness in his 2nd job in Cleveland when he got mad at Holmgren for drafting Colt McCoy. In his attempt for revenge he refused to let any of the coaches talk to McCoy all year and mandated that McCoy would always get the gameplan one day after all the other QBs. This continued after McCoy was made starter after the 2 QBs ahead of him were injured. Like Mangini Gase did not learn from his mistakes that got him fired at his first job and has also doubled down on the crazy psychotic behavior. The shame is both of these coaches are really really smart which is likely why they have gotten to the highest level with such devisive personalties. I get super excited about Gase running the offense. But neither of them are leaders that should be running an organization and like Mangini Gase's ego will at some point run him out of the NFL. It is sad as Gase and Sam have potential to do great things together.
No doubt Gase is gonna break a few eggs to make his omelette. So far I haven't seen anything that hasn't moved the team forward. Fuck the media shit-stirrers & the rumors. If the players respond...we good.
Mawae was at the end. He drafted Mangold. It was one of the best moves he made. Mangini had the Jets in the playoffs year 1 and in year 3 they were 8 and 3 and had the head to head with the Pats won. Favre got hurt and dumped the season for the Jets. Mangini was with the Browns for 2 years. They have had 5 head coaches since and have yet to produce one winning season.
Good God already looking ahead to a new coach. The time to win is now while Gase/Williams are rejuvenating the building and Darnold is under his rookie contract. Speaking of Mangini, I know Rex caught lightning in a bottle but man I think we fired him prematurely. Also I’m not worried about the players like their coaches, they liked Bowles and wanted to play for him and they sucked.
And that is what is so frustrating right now. He has done NOTHING to hurt this franchise. In fact, many, if not all, the things he has done, have been things people have been complaining about on this board for years. Many wanted Mac fired, he helped get him fired. Many thought the drafts have been below average, he fired one of the scouts. Many wanted better leaders and more vocal coaches, he hired one of the most vocal and passionate defensive coordinator I've ever seen. It's crazy that people are seeing all of this in a negative light. Maybe things don't work out with him, but it is a relief seeing something completely different than the same bullshit year after year that has gotten us nowhere
Because it’s Gase. If it were Monken or Rhule or McCarthy no one would blink an eye. Gase is badass, he’s not here to fuck around.
Im a fan of what NO has done (with the picks they didn’t trade at least) over the last few years in the draft and I feel like in general they always seem to have depth everywhere. I like the wide net we are casting
His profile from the Saints front office says nothing about the draft https://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/front-office-roster/terry-fontenot "Terry Fontenot begins his 16th season with the New Orleans Saints organization and sixth as director of pro scouting. His responsibilities in managing the pro personnel department include recommending player acquisitions by evaluating players from all professional leagues, including the Saints roster, monitoring the waiver wire and supervising the advance scouting of upcoming opponents." ---- Scouting opponents, comparative analysis and scouring the waiver wire are important front office duties. He may be well suited for the job, just saying the Saints draft really wasn't his job other than suggesting positions of need maybe, I guess
I think some of these coaching retreads may be better at shifting pieces around the management structure than actually coaching football. We'll see if Gase gets anywhere other than being the boss of the beaurocracy here, but his Miami teams finished 17th <cough>, 28th <cough cough>, and 26th <psssss> in offensive points scored. That means never even in the bottom half of the top half, if you can count to 32. But all these "managerial" maneuvers make him appear to being doing something, and in this world of Trumpian con artists that many of the owners inhabit, where you only *appear* to care about the fans, that's probably all you need to make the big money for a couple of years (or even more). If Gase were really smart, he would try to get a reality tv show going, where the camera shows him walking around offices, being the boss, yelling at people etc. while fielding 2-14 teams. He might even get himself elected president that way. Ron
I misread that original tweet. I missed "pro" scouting and just saw scouting. Either way, like I said I feel like the Saints recently have always had very good depth. It's always a "next man up" situation there when they need it to be and it always seems to work out. The one thing I don't like is acquiring Eli Apple. He is not good. Other than that I like what they've done outside the draft. If he's the guy that convinced the GM to let Ingram walk then I like him even more.