His comments were very curious just as his rags to riches story as a player. I think most(at least 50-60%) of baseball was using performance enhacing drugs during the 90s and through today so if he used them I am not asking for his banishment but let's not bury our heads in the sand and pretend like guys didn't use them just b/c they played on our favorite teams.
Always try to attack you? What a pathetic joke. I have responded to your posts a total of 6 or 7 times in the 2 1/2 years I've been on this board. In each case, it was to point out when you claimed that some broad statement was "the truth," when in fact it was in my view incorrect. What bothers you, of course, is that I do so with simple facts that dispute what you say, something that you can't handle. It is very interesting that your response to my detailed post was to complain about me attacking you, rather than acknowledging that you were mistaken in what you said. Of course, there are dozens of people on this board to whom this is not even slightly surprising, since you do it all the time. Your feeble attempt to insult me ("stay up to speed") only reinforces how threatening you apparently find me, no doubt because I don't engage in the ridiculous back-and-forth personal attacks and pontification that you think passes for discussion.
didn't know or didn't want to know? either way, ignorance is not a defense IMO. it is your body, and if you choose to ignore or disregard what may be in a food or supplement you ingest, you incur the responsibility for it.
I'm not saying I don't think he did it because he plays for the Sox, I'm saying it because there's no evidence. Kapler was clearly on something. Damon probably was too. But Ortiz is just a big fat guy. His "rags to riches" as you say was in reality a slow, steady improvement, no doubt partly due to more regular playing time and keeping his knees healthier. From 2000 until now he has slightly increased his home runs totals: 10, 18, 20, 31, 41, 47 and 54. This increase was accompanied by an increase in games played and at bats every year except last year. Looks a lot more to me like normal player development (though perhaps slightly later in his career than most) than steroid use.
He's talking about when he was back in the Dominican. That means he was about 16 years old at the time, seeing as he was drafted by Seattle when he was 17.
and every time you respond you feel like you have to try to get something over on me. threatened? by you:lol: join us back on planet Earth and try to pay attention to what's being said before you post. and more people w/ no clue join in. What is pathetic about it? Statjeff had a long posts "educating" me about the Yanks, Mets and steroids but that wasn't the issue. The issue has always been sahde is always attacking the yanks for steroid use yet we hae a couple of minor league suspensions and 1 ML suspension where we had a bench player who barely played and we acquired him late in the year while the Mets have a milliion ML players suspended and a bunch of Ml players including a player they re-signed over the winter after he was suspended. Now please tell me how what i wrote is pathetic? you guys need to know the facts before you make silly posts to defend other people.
Most people don't view a post that corrects a misstatement as an attack, or as "trying to get something over" on them. Most people have no problem saying something like "I was mistaken" or "I stand corrected." Most people don't have the pathological need to use arrogant, condescendingly moronic insults against someone who corrects a misstatement they made. Of course, most people aren't delusional enough to think that they "win" 98% of the arguments that they get in.
I like how you ignored my post showing Ortiz' steady rise rather than a steroid indicating jump. I suppose you "won" this as well?
I am responding to 20 different people, give me a break. You MAY have a point but I believe from his spike in #s to his wacky statement about not knowing whether or not he took the that he did use themat some point. I also believe manny used them, not b/c I dislike the Sox but that's just the way i feel. I am 100% sure there are yankees from the dynasty teams that used them- important Yankees. I don't know who they are but I believe ever team had their share of steroid users.
atleast he has the testicular fortitude to admit it, unlike lenny dykstra, barry bonds, mark mcgwire, and so forth....
