Sure you only have had 2 admitted abusers who were considered stars. That is much better then fringe minor league guys.
It was obvious what he was trying to say and he just dodged away from questions. He juts should of admitted it then...Now he admits doing that "stuff" Gimmie a break.
They never admitted using them as Yankees and we have had zero ML suspensions and I think 1 Minor eague suspension while you guys have had 2 ML suspensions, 5-6 minor league and an eomployee taken down.
I'm not gonna strike back with an insult, but the Mets are about middle of the road in roid suspensions in comparison to the rest of the league. I can't give you a source of my numbers but I'm pretty sure I read it a few days ago on Newsday (either than or they posted about it at Metsblog). As far as Giambi goes, if he's going to be so outspolen about the issue, I'd like to see him be the guy to set the precedence and admit to past steroid use and take his lumps. If he's not taking them now, there's really not much that MLB or the Yanks can do to hurt him, so he should just man up and say something since no one else is. I know as a Mets fan that it's a very real possibility that some of my favorite guys from the '99 and 2000 teams may have been roided up, and I'd like to see someone currently playing who's man enough to step up to the plate and admit to his use.
All of the following material comes from http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/. This argument is as pointless as most of the ones between you and shade, but I would have thought that you would get your Yankee facts right. This is the list of Yankees minor leaguers who have been suspended for steroid use: Hector Noesi, P (12/14/2006) Daniel McCutchen, P (8/8/2006) Deivi Mendez, SS (7/22/2005) Jeff Kennard, P (6/24/2005) According to the San Francisco Chronicle, in his grand jury testimony Jason Giambi admitted using drugs from BALCO in 2002 and 2003, while he was a member of the Yankees. According to the Los Angeles Times, in an IRS affidavit, Jason Grimsley stated that he used steroids throughout his career, presumably including 1999-2000, when he pitched for the Yankees. Matt Lawton was suspended on November 2, 2005 for a positive test during the 2005 season, six days after being released by the Yankees (he also played for two other teams that season, but finished the season with the Yankees). Kirk Radomski (the former Mets employee) has admitted to distributing steroids from 1995 to 2005, only after leaving employment with the team. Whether that is true or not is another matter, but that is what he has admitted doing, and based on your comment above, since according to you a lack of admission excuses admitted users Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield from tainting the Yankees (although as I note above, Giambi has, in fact, admitted using them while a Yankee), it also presumably excuses Radomski from tainting the Mets. What is not disputed by anyone is that he became a major player after BALCO fell in 2003, 8 years after leaving the Mets. If you're going to label him "an employee" of the Mets for things he did 8 years after he left the team, then presumably you also consider Bobby Estalella (played for the Yankees in 2001 and admitted using BALCO drugs to the grand jury) and Jim Leyritz (played for the Yankees from 1990-1996 and 1999-2000 and admitted using hGH between the 2000 and 2001 seasons) "employees" of the Yankees. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see that the use of performance enhancing drugs was rampant in baseball for years. For anyone to try to claim that one team was somehow less complicit in this than any other team is absurd.
Man, I don't see why everyone is persecuting the guy. If he finished out his contract and never admitted to a thing, you'd label him a cheater and bastard. If apologizes, seems contrite and looks like he really regrets doing what he did, then you label him a bastard and a cheater. I give him some props for him coming out and saying did something wrong and apologizing for it. At least he's not hiding behind the old "flaxseed oil" and "I didn't test positive so you don't have proof" excuse.
I'm not saying he shouldn't be persecuted. He cheated and he should pay the consequences. However, I think he should be given a wee bit of credit for coming out publicly and saying he's sorry. He could stay quiet and deny everything like just about everyone else, but he confronted the issue and is trying to make amends.
He won't get one tiny shred of credit from me until he truly DOES admit it. Until he says "I did steroids" or "I took HGH" (which he's probably still doing since there's no test), he hasn't admitted anything.
That article was the Mets themselves caliming they were middle of the road: http://www.nypost.com/seven/0517200...a_draws_roids_suspension_mets_brian_lewis.htm
Why must you always try to attack me? My whole point about steroids was that it has been used by a majority of the players and has been used on every team. Shade has always been talking about Yankee steroid players while ignoring his own team when in fact more Mets/Met prospects have been suspended than yankees. Why don't yuo stay up to speed instead of acting like you got something over on me. What about a guy who "doesn't know if he took steroids"?:lol: http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTklTO...49075/**http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18551856/
Seriously? Come on junc, you know better than that. He was saying that he doesn't know what they put in the shakes he used to get in the Dominican because it's not regulated there. He also said he doesn't get them anymore. It's not like he went to a BALCO or something. It's more a comment on the fact that you have to be careful, not him saying that he probably did anything. But you're right, he's just as bad as a guy who got caught doing steroids and then admitted to it (kind of). I guess Ortiz should be banned from the game, the bastard.
