What did the San Francisco 49ers do at about this point in Montana's career? They traded for Steve Young, because they knew that the QB is the most important player on the field and they wanted to have an option B if Montana got hurt. What did Montana do a couple of seasons later? He got hurt. Who lead the 49ers to their last Super Bowl win? Steve Young. I've been really surprised that the Patriots have not gone out and gotten some real backup for Brady in the last season or two. I know the cap is a huge constraint, but guess what? The cap is not a constraint for a season or two. I think the Patriots go out and get a QB if they see one available and Brohm will be available on their pick.
Well, when the Niners traded for Young, he had been labeled a bust and the Bucs drafted Vinny Testaverde to replace him. The Niners didn't use/trade a top 5 pick to get Steve Young. He was brought in to be a BACK UP. Bill Walsh just turned Steve Young into a west coast dominant QB. Joe Montana was 34 years old when he got, and Steve Young came in and played like a backup, but the next season, he showed a big improvement and the Niners chose to get rid of the aging Montana and stick with the young gun. The Niners didn't expect Young to be as good as he was...the Patriots wouldn't use a Top 5 pick on a QB, when they already have one...but they might do what the Niners did and trade a late rounder for a backup.
they dont need to pay up in draft or FA for a QB. they need to keep depth on the OL and DL and let the team rally around the QB.
i admit it was nice for them to win one more in 94 but.. i might be sketchy but didnt that SF team kind of go downhill after montana left? lost to dal in 93 and 95 and GB in 96? then nowheresville..right? i dont know if young was worth all that controversy in those years behind joe.
Steve Young is a Hall of Famer, but Joe Montana is the best. I think Dan Marino is the best PASSER of all time, but Montana is the best QB. Brady will probably be right up there with them by the end of his career.
re the OL question..i see the ravens were starting ben grubbs and marshall yanda. both rooks right? i really wanted the jets to get a roadgrader G this past year. there seemed to be a pretty deep group available.
The 49ers traded 2nd and 4th round picks to bring Young in despite having a 31 year old QB at the reins who had lead them to two super bowl wins already. Tom Brady is how old heading into next season? 31. Not quite sure what you meant to say here but Young had one of the best seasons of his career in 1991 when Montana got hurt at the age of 35 and it became easy for SF to cut the string. The following year Young had an even better season and the 49ers won their 4th title. It would have been impossible to project Young to be as good as he turned out to be, given that he wound up in the top 10 QB's of all time. The fact that the 49ers traded a 2nd and a 4th round pick for him at a time when they had a dominant QB widely seen as the best QB in football tells you that they thought he eas going to be very good. They thought he'd be good enough to take over if Montana went down and assure continuity for a champioship caliber team. They were right. By late rounder I'm assuming you mean a 2nd and a 4th in a 15 pick draft? I'm guessing the Patriots bite on a QB in the first if there is a potential franchise guy in range, particularly if they keep blowing out the NFL and win their 4th super bowl this year. No coach has ever won 5 super bowls. Belichik is too smart to put all his eggs in the Brady basket when he is looking at 3 or 4 tries tops to win number 5 before the nucleus here is gone.
I'm glad you're not a GM. Right after Montana got hurt, Steve Young came in a played like a mediocre QB. The next season, when Montana had to sit out the year with that same injury, Young became a solid QB and his career took off from there. The Pats aren't going to draft a QB in the Top 5, when they drafted Tom Brady, who has the potential to be greatest QB of all time, in the 6th round. They will most likely take the best player available, or trade out again...
Wha? What year did you have Montana getting hurt in? Because I have it as 1991, which is actually the season that Montana sat out. Steve Young started the season with an injured thumb that was jammed on an offensive lineman's helmet as he was following through on a throw in the first pre-season game. He later injured his knee in the 9th game of the season and was removed after the 11th game because his mobility was nil. Despite that he completed 64.5 of his passes for 9.0 yards an attempt, 17 TD's and 8 Ints. He also ran for over 400 yards and 4 more TD's as he scrambled behind an uncharacteristically porous SF offensive line. If that's your definition of struggling I'd hate to ask what a guy has to do to succeed...
Why is us being a bad team that cant afford to pass on BPA for a certain need so hard for people to understand??
Well, it depends on what the BPA is. This team absolutely does not need a runningback right now. If you listed all the things we need I'd put tailback at like 22nd on the list out of 22 starting positions. What a team does when the BPA does not fit a need is to trade down and build depth. It's the logical answer to a competitive environment in which players only last 3.5 years on average.
So you dont believe that a game breaking RB like McPhearson would not help this team now as well as in the future?? You know quite well that I have been on record demanding we upgrade both lines as well as overall team depth. I want that more than anything. But there are alternatives to doing that over addressing it in early round 1, where the value is just not there. Sure we could trade down and address it, but I just can't see a team like this passing on an elite talent. There is no doubt in my mind that a player like McFadden would help this team. He could split carries w/ Jones, while also lining up at WR as well as QB! Long term, he replaces Jones...and has the potential to be an all time great(something the jets havent had since arguably Klecko).
Honestly, it is really not necessary to pick OL in the first round. We could do really well in rounds 2-4. I would reserve the first round to bolster our defense. We need a true OLB that can get to the QB as well as a true NT (which is probably not available).
I see no reason to draft a runningback when we have two perfectly reasonable alternatives on the current roster and both of them are signed to long-term contracts. We have enough other needs, even just on the offensive side of the ball, that a pick spent on a runningback is just a waste of valuable resources. Now throw in the fact that the odds are that McFadden catches a knee or some other injury if he gets a bunch of carries behind this line and I just see no reason to spend a pick on him. If he's really that good the Jets can trade the pick easily if he's there when they pick and if he's not why the heck would we take him with Jones and Washington already on the roster? A guy off of our practice squad last season has 600+ yards rushing for the Giants this year because they understand that the offensive line is the important part of the equation.
I'm not saying the O-line doesnt need to be addressed. I'm hoping we sign one FA for each line and obviously make it a big priority in the draft. I just don't see a Linemen in the top 5 worth our time, and I dont see a DL in the top 5 who fits our scheme. If there is/was it's a no brainer. It's just not there. By the same token, unless we're blown away by a trade offer...we're in no position to pass on elite talent. Wehave very little of that on our current roster...and even so...the elite talent is only "Potential" elite talent... I.e. Rhodes, Brick, Revis, Mangold,and Harris. IMO, McFadden IS elite talent. Now perhaps the combo of Jones/Washington is solid..but it also is far from elite, Jones is a wrong cut away at his age from his career being over and Washington can only handle about 10 carries a game w/o shattering in 2. I just believe McFadden would help this team right away in terms of playmaking ability for now, elite starting ability for the future, and quality depth. When you add in the value he brings to the given draft pick...and to m it's a no brainer.
Montana sat out in '91, but he was injured during the playoffs in '90...Steve Young played horribly when he came in to replace Montana in '90. Young was successful in 1991 and so on, but no one will ever compare to Montana. I know what I'm talking about. Steve Young was the reason I played football as child all the way through high school.
Could not disagree more. RB's can be had anytime in the draft. Curtis Martin is a HOF running back that was picked in the third, perfect example. Even if you don't see anyone who merits a top 5 then we need to trade down and address needs. We need a massive OL to run behind and to protect KC and we need a pass rush. Drafting is nothing more than educated guessing. Having the most educated guesses in the top 100 is what is going to get us where we need to be. In other words, if it is not there, trade down.
Why are we still discussing McFadden. There is like ZERO chance he will be there when we pick 5th or so anyway.
It depends largely on what we do in FA in terms of O-Line to me. I would like to bolster the line significantly, and see if TJ and Washington can't provide some eye-popping stats and play-making ability behind a line that is above average, even top-tier. A RB only gets a chance to wiggle his hips and go downfield if he is ever able to get there in the first place. LT and Peterson to me are the only guys who can truly overcome OL defiencies, and they don't have to. 2 RB's out of 64 give or take who see significant time in the league. If the O-Line is answered, then you look for the pop. Emmitt Smith would definitely not be #1 all-time without his stellar O-Line in Big D for all those years.
