I like Geno a lot and I'm very optimistic about him but this is just the facts. He needs to come into camp ready, esp making some improvements in his footwork, as it greatly affects his accuracy. I'm confident that he will be where we need him to be come August.
He really didn't have that many awful games with Kerley in though. Titans - He threw for 68 percent completion and had a couple on INTs. The Jets D played so bad that game that even without the INT's they probebly lose anyways. Bengals - Same deal. 67 percent completion and a couple of INT's but the Jets secondary got throttled. Geno could have thrown for 75 percent, 2 TD's and zero INT's and they lose anyways. Steelers - 56 percent and just had alot of trouble cracking the Steelers Defense which pretty much is the case with all Rookie QB's. The looked anywhere from Decent to Good though in the Bucs, 1st Bills, Atlanta, 2nd Patriots, Saints, Oakland, Carolina, Cleveland, and 2nd Miami Games all of which Kerley played. Kerley missed the 1st Patriots, 2nd Bills, Baltimore, and 2nd Dolphins games and those were also the 4 horrendous games that Geno had last season. I really don't think that can be just chalked up to coincidence especially since in the other 3 games against our division rivals he had Kerley in and in all 3 he played well.
just like you wanted Sanchez to just feel comfortable to win us games and not care about his stats say.
he couldn't have been worse against the Titans, he was almost as bad against Cincy. Please don't give me comp % when a guy tries to put a ball around his back when we had the ball at our 16 yd line and he takes a 15 yd drop. he was brutal at ten, at Cin, vs. Pitt. Those may have been his 3 worst games of the year and kerley played in each. he was bad against the Bucs, he kept Tb in it. 1st Bills game was good Atlanta was excellent 2nd Pats he was mediocre at best and we won the game handing the ball off as they were afraid to put the ball in his hands He did nothing against the Saints outside of not turning it over and kerley went out of that game early anyway. He was good against Oak decent against car good against Cle good 2nd Mia game 1st Pats game Geno was actually very good through 3 qtrs. then imploded in the 4th. Bal, Mia and at Buf were bad but not as bad as Ten, Cin & Pitt.
The only stat that matters to me is the W. Mark helped us win a lot of games, I'd rather have a guy w/ mediocre #s who makes plays to win than a guy who pads stats in garbage time and fools the average fan into thinking he is good b/c his #s look good on paper. I am more concerned w/ how #s are accumulated than the actual accumulations.
junc - the eagles are always looking for new fans, maybe you would feel comfortable jumping to that bandwagon for your boy. I'm sure you'd enjoy rehashing your take on every game of his career in comparison to Nick Foles, with their fans. As for Geno in relation to Kerley: He definitely played better with Kerley out there, but fortunately Kerley will be there for Michael Vick, the new QB. I'm not sure the OP's point makes much sense, in that Geno should play over Vick because he plays better with Kerley.....
yep, we should keep "fans" like you who do nothing but whine and get rid of the knowledgeable fans we have. I am not bashing Geno, simply stating facts. The Kerley thing hurt but he had his worst games WITH Kerley in the lineup so it wasn't as big of a factor as you guys think but it is a nice handy excuse.
I don't understand how the 88th best WR in the NFL not being there caused Geno to fail,doesn't really make much sense
Holmes was absolute garbage 21 catches lolz Geno, should run more. Thinking Geno will be much more effective with Decker now in the passing attack. Maybe, one of these rooks can step up too. Decker, Nelson, Kerley, and maybe a rook steps up. We had the pats beat week 2 last season. Clyde Gates had something like 9 drops, one for a td. Holmes (garbage man), helped with a nice tipped ball to the Pats. Barcs, who signed Holmes.? oh yeah, nobody. Because he was a bum at practice, had a shit attitude and was bad to have around a young team. Also, Hills stats look much better with that td catch against the Pats in our second meeting. That catch gets stripped away by the refs, a call that looked questionable at best. Megatron owns DBs all the time for 50/50 balls; that call could have gone either way. Not saying Hill hasn't been marginal at best, just that his stats increase by a td and 50yds if that call never gets made.
Best WR on the Jets last year though. Kerley was also targeted on 3rd downs which can extend drives which makes the offense look better. I don't think it's as simple as with Kerley Geno is good and without Geno is bad. But overall Geno played better with Kerley out there which makes sense since he was our best WR. It won't make that big of a difference heading into this year because Vick and Geno will have the same group of WR to work with
My point is that Geno had 1 true NFL caliber receiver on the roster the entire year, and when he was in he looked good for a rookie, especially since he didn't have a full camp, and didn't even get all the starting snaps when he was healthy in camp. Part of my point too is that I don't think people realize just how bad our receiving core was. Hill - Can only run in a straight line. Has terrible hands. Has no idea how to use his body size. Played so poorly that he was benched on a team that had literally nothing at receiver. Holmes - His skills have been greatly diminished and his heart obviously just isn't there anymore. He's finished. There is a reason that no one in the entire league has picked him up yet. Nelson - He's a 425 - 475 yard receiver every year. Those are a dime a dozen in the NFL. He looked great on the Jets because compared to total messes like Hill, Salas, and Gates. Kerley is the only WR on the Jets roster last year that would have started on any other NFL team. Everyone else would have either been kept for depth or would not have made the team all together. The proof of that will be seen in my opinion this training camp when the Jets cut Hill, Salas, and Gates and the only 2 WR's from last year that stay over to this year are Kerley and Nelson.
He was not bad against the Bucs. 256 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, and 47 yards rushing for a rookie in his 1st game against a team that at the time was supposed to have a very good defense is a great opening game. On top of that....THEY WON. Cincy and Pitt he had rough games and were his worst with Kerley in but they were not worse then his games minus Kerley at all. His worst two games all year were the 2nd against Buffalo and the Ravens game. 17 for 45 passing. 0 TD's. 5 INT's. Those 2 games were so bad that he got benched and people were all ready to call Geno a flop and move on.
he kept the Bucs in the game, if mark starts we win going away or if any competent QB starts we win going away. Ten was his worst game, Cincy was his next worst and both games Kerley played in.
Geno had a shitty offense to work with except for Kerley. Of course he did worse without him. Regardless of who he has working with him now, he has to be better. Or Geno will have the clip board.....
Of course a rookie QB, or any QB, plays better when their best receiver is running routs. As bad as the Jets offense was, it was even worse when their best WR was out. Now, I don't think you can say much more than just that. I don't think you can extrapolate to where Geno becomes Joe Montana based on what we saw last season.
yeah, that about sums it up. Smith didn't have much of a crutch to lean last year, and its a bit obvious that ANYTHING that made him more comfortable like JK being available would have helped him and sometimes DID help him. I mean what does Smith look like if Decker was here a year earlier? probably better, every rookie QB needs SOMETHING to lift them to greater heights out the gate. Just as well, having JK available again doesn't mean he'll be a top 10 QB or anything either (anybody expecting him to be?) in fact reasonably he'll be average. but yeah Kerley had a positive effect on him obviously. as time goes on however his supporting cast should be less of a factor to his quality, not that we'll be abel to tell this year (hopefully)
I'm not expecting Geno to be a Top 10 QB but it really wouldn't shock me either. We added one of the best 5 route runners in the entire league in Decker, one of the best 5 pass catching RB's in Johnson, and a TE in Amaro that has great hands, will be a matchup nightmare for other teams, and in college was posting huge yards after catch numbers. Those are huge upgrades from what we had last year and the types of guys that make QB's look great. The X-Factor for me though is Saunders. He played 2 years at Fresno and 2 at Oklahoma, which play 2 very different styles of offense and was very consistent all 4 years. In his career he also scored 31 TD's, many of which came off of 70+ yard receptions. Steven Hill in his 6 combined years with Georgia Tech and the Jets had scored 14 TD's. Guys like Saunders that have a knack for finding the endzone in college more often then not come in to the NFL and do the same thing. He is small, but he is also only 1 inch shorter and 7 pounds lighter then Desean Jackson who a ton of people were begging for the Jets to sign. Out of all of the Jets rookie WR's, Saunders has the best chance by far to be a huge factor.
Aside from the value of Kerley being on the field, I think that the only clearly suggestive thing about your stats is how much better Geno is at qb when he's more prone to running. And this was something that was already observed by the staff. Last season, Geno put up Mark Sanchez numbers. His rating is skewed down in part because he was trying to become a pocket passer. In fact, that probably cost us a playoff appearance. As far as starting goes, IMO it should be an open competition in camp.
I don't understand what you mean about his rating being skewed down because he was trying to become a pocket passer. Can you explain?
