The Head Coach, and nobody else, should determine who will start. If this is true that it was Idzik & Woody making the call, then they need to take the fall when we get bashed, yet again. Hopefully Geno, Idzik, Rex, and most of the staff should be gone. To bad Woody stays on as owner.
Yeah but the HC should also be able to pick his coordinators and staff. The GM should be able to pick his own Head Coach. Welcome to Jets Bizzaro world of the last decade.
Single wing formation---maybe Kerley? LOL. Point is, these coaches have seen the very worst of Vick and Geno and still can find no reason to put Simms in there. There has to be a reason.
I honestly think that Idzik might be on the hot seat more than people realize. Think about it. First, the harvin trade mid season which, coup or not, was certainly defensive. Now, Rex first said he wanted to play Vick against miami if healthy but now everyone ( including Woody) thinks Smith should play? My guess is if Harvin and Smith don't add much over next four games then Woody will send Idzik out the door right after Rexy! Idzik will certainly be evaluated after the season and Smith is key to that. For those of us who want Idzik gone before he can botch another offseason, I think this Smith playing is the best scenario.
I don;t think Rex is incompetent. He makes mistakes, and he has had his run here, But I do not think he is incompetent. I think if his offensive coaches wanted Simms, and he turned them down, you may have a point. But we do not know that.
Considering our qb situation for them to not give Simms a look that could mean that Simms is garbage. You could make a solid argument why it makes sense to start either Geno or Simms.
You could also make the case that this CS wouldn't know a good Qb if a kid named Peyton Manning was on the practice squad. They never liked Simms from day one. He's always been the Qb of last resort. The bigger question should be: why should we have ANY faith in their decision making process when it comes to Qb's?
They clearly haven't been the best judge of qb talent. But consider this, look at all the past backups that Jets fans were clamoring for (Ratliff) how many of them were the Jets wrong about? There is a reason why they are trotting Geno back out there. Don't you think for a moment that if Simms shows ANYTHING that they wouldn't give him a shot? This team is desperate for a qb and if Simms was looking good in practice they would've gave him a look by now.
Pretty much, and at 2-9 I don't see why not, because then you have some legit game film to evaluate your QB with and can decipher if there is any legitimate potential in Simms or not. If I was Rex or Idzik I would be calling for Simms to be the man behind center.
Sometimes predujices gets in the way of judgement. Simms I would imagine only works with the scout team and never with the ones or even the twos. Hard to get into any rythym that way even in practice. If your boss doesn't like you, it's really not the best scenario to prove your worth. I think Rex &Co. just doesn't like Simms for anything other than a last resort/scout team QB. Rex even draft the immortal Tajh Boyd to try and replace Simms but that plan didn't work out because Boyd just wasn't NFL material. Lets not forget who bought Tajh in the first place. Anytime your HC takes his kid's advice and actually works him on to the roster, there's something really wrong. Rex's kid is not a scout, but Rex took his kid's word. So many things wrong with that logic that it deserves it's own thread.
They have no reason to be prejudiced against Simms. They don't "hate" Simms. They drafted Boyd because they wanted a developmental qb and a potential backup. Simms just isn't any good if they thought he had any ounce of potential they wouldn't have drafted Boyd. If they thought Simms had any potential they would've gave him an extended look in the KC game. They had an excuse with the Vick concussion. Yet they couldn't get Vick back on the field fast enough. Fans are intrigued with Simms because he's an unknown. But these coaches see Simms in practice every week, they know he isn't good. If he showed anything ANYTHING SOMETHING, they would've went to Simms instead of going back to Geno. If they thought he was good they would've kept him out there in the KC game.
Yet, if he's that bad, why keep him on the PS? Why not bring in someone they do think could play in a game if need be? They don't like Simms because he is more a pocket passer and they want a Russell Wilson, RGIII type who can run the ball...Geno, Vick, Boyd.
He's there as a backup/emergency qb that's it. That's what he is. Of course you'd like to upgrade if given the chance. Hence why Boyd was drafted and you're right they obviously prefer athletic QB's. However if Simms looks good they would give him a look.
I agree we should play Smith, just to prove to the GM that he is a bust. Idzik making the call shows he has no respect or faith in Rex. Rex not making the call proves he is a horrible HC. A couple more wins at best would not save his job, so why in the world was he sticking with Vick. At this point in a season for a losing team you need to test your young players and give them a chance. Sticking with a old below average, washed up QB in hopes of an extra win is pathetic. I hope Smith loses every game and we get a good enough pick to draft Mariota.
There is a reason why they are trotting Geno back out there. Don't you think for a moment that if Simms shows ANYTHING that they wouldn't give him a shot? This team is desperate for a qb and if Simms was looking good in practice they would've gave him a look by now.[/QUOTE] NO. We don't know a qb from a jackass. Thus Geno is back out there. There is no indication noted about Simms playing well or bad during practice. We know what Geno and Vick bring to the table (SH#t). The team is going no where, there is no excuse not to start Simms. He may sh#t the bed and he may not, The chances of Geno doing so are documented.
They see Simms in practice every week and considering our current qb situation they would've given him a real look by now. As bad as things are do you really think they are ignoring a potential talent just to keep playing Geno? If Simms starts a game this year it would be out of desperation. They are not at that point yet. This is the same thing Tebow supporters used to say. "Rex hates Tebow he loves Mark" now look at where Tebow is today. Look at Brett Ratliff he's now out of the league, even McElroy (who I liked) are all out of the league. The Jets have not been wrong about these backups. Simms is another Ratliff/Bollinger/McElroy. Fans just want to see him play because he's an unknown and also because some hate Geno. Going back to Geno makes sense. He's still young and you want to see how he responds after the benching. If anything he could be the hold the fort stop gap qb while we develop the rookie qb. There's also a slim chance he could salvage his career.
One of us will be proven wrong. For me I have seen enough of Geno to say ENOUGH. As a Jet fan and a dolfhag hater I want Geno to succeed and we win. As a realist I wish he would just go away. I still say I wish we would give Simms a chance. What's the negative on this? It's a win/win situation. If he stinks the place up good by. If he shines we just may get lucky. With Geno if he does well the whole "I love Geno and Izdik brigade will be back with the wishful thinking agenda."
Geno has proven that he is not a franchise qb he's too inconsistent. He's had games this year where it's the same shit. He'll do some nice things but he'll always make a few boneheaded plays. His only clean game was the Pats game. In the Raiders, Packers, Bears, Lions, Broncos games he played okay/average but he did not look like a franchise quarterback. Then the shit hit the fan against the Bills when he imploded. When you consider his propensity to implode plus the inconsistency he's just not a franchise qb. The Jets invested a 2nd round pick in Geno and if you are the Jets you'd hope to salvage whatever you could from him. Simms is not that good imo. I could be wrong but based on what I've seen he's a backup qb at best. The fact that he's in the league is his shot. If he weren't a Simms he wouldn't have even been in the league. Don't get me wrong I'm not opposed to giving Simms a shot.
i don't care who made the call. it's the right move. throw him back in after sitting and see what it did. there is no law saying we can't bench him again. but the fact that this is a story is proof that rex should be gone now. quiet the restless crowd by doing what everyone knows is coming. gives the beat less to talk about
