yes because it was 2 deep. dunn covering the right side ashtyn covering the left side. dunn blew his assignment leaving someone wide open. nothing more to that play then dunn making a mental error. on the flip side you claim he was "gifted" an INT. nothing of the sorts. here is pre snap. jets showing all out blitz. davis is the single high. 10 at the LOS and davis is less then 10 yards form the LOS showing possible safety blitz at the snap he back pedals while watching the QBs eyes, he's a single high safety here who has to read the QB and make a decision he sees tua looking right opposite his way, knows the blitz is on and the ball has to come out fast so he darts to that side here he is at the balls release wathcing the QB and breaking towards where he is throwing here he comes up with the diving INT. he was about 70 feet from that ball when tua threw it and he was only that close due to playing smart and doing his job and making a good decision. then the closing speed to cover that roughly 23 yards to make the diving catch. that was all davis and a bad throw by tua who really didn't have any pressure but no other safety on our roster was coming up with that INT and it was far from a gift. ashtyn took what should have been an incompletion and single handedly made it a turnover.
Agree to disagree. I just think you're really ignoring his position on the field in that particular and how, if he's not responsible to help for the only receiver really deep while he is literally backpedaling away from everything else, he's really in a position to do absolutely nothing. You just keep on blaming Dunn, which everyone agrees he was mainly at fault. His interception was not amazing, and I gave him credit for making a sliding catch. But that's all. Tua gifted that, and he made a nice diving grab. He's not getting crowned for it.
your statement just screams you dont' understand how football works. playes cannot freelance. period. they have a job. bill bellichick benched an all pro LBer for free lancing then traded him to the browns to spite him. If davis "free lances" out of his posiiton then his spot on the field is open and they get a deep TD that way because the CB in front of him is expecting deep help and doesn't get it. everyone has a job to do eveyr play and it's their job to do it, not to try and make up for others mistakes becuase that just creates a hole where they should be. if davis had left his spot to go help someone else, it would have been a bad play on him. You saying he sucked becuase he didn't ignore the coaches and didn't abondon his job to run all the way across the field to the other side to help a rookie who made a mental error is borderline insanity. If dunn had done exactly what davis was doing, there wouldn't have been a TD. as you can see on the INT he did what you wanted him to do on the dunn play. he back pedalded, read the QB and ran all the way across the field to make the INT. becuase on that play he was single high and that was his job, to cover the whole field. on the dunn play it was 2 high and the 2nd guy decided not to do his job. The fact you can't even see how good the INT was when i pointed it out just shows you have a bad bias towards him for some reason. but it really makes me not pay attention to your opinions if you can't be biased and want to argue facts based on your hatred for a player.
Again, your stance is he was supposed dead center, deep part of the field, backing away from everything and literally do nothing and that's ok. You probably know football way better than me, doesn't make you absolute skip.
he's not doing literally nothing. he's watching for anyone going deep. if the WR on his side was to run a go route, the CB would pass him off to davis and he would cover him. I can't teach you football in a day, you should know the basics and if you dont' i'll help you. I have no issues with that. My stance is don't trash talk a player if you have no idea what you are talking about and every post you make, you make it clear you are a typical angry fan who just wants to bitch but can't even bitch at the right people
Lol my god, I give up. You nailed it.. he did exactly what he was supposed to do. Backpedal straight back further and further away from the exact receivers you are using as reasoning for him staying put... Which he wasn't, he was moving backwards in the center of the field. Honestly why is anyone who doesnt watch the all 22 allowed to post? That's the biggest crime here. You're only started defending Ashtyn after you noticed he was getting killed here Colts week. Another game he was terrible in.. but you watch one series and reported he was solid. Arrogance and density. Let's chat when this guy flames out of the NFL in one to two years. It's too funny. "He's watching for anyone deep." *Dunn misplays only receiver going deep leaving him wide open, and the closest player to Davis* "He had no responsibility on that play to help. Stud." Again, because I think my point is getting lost.. I'm not even saying he was bad this play.. he just did nothing to help when he was in a position to help, and it looks like by design he was roaming smack in the center of the field to help on a deep route.
everyone is allowed to post. but ranting about something when you are completely wrong and then doubling down on it when someone takes the time to explain why you are wrong is just a bad look on you. I never said you can't post, i never said you had to watch the all 22. It's why i'll do a break down so you can see instead of just saying take my word for it. but continuing to rant about something when you are very wrong is just not good. I understand now knowing off the bat. i took the time to show you. just give the dude some credit. we have a lot of issue son defense but davis isn't one of them. well not ashtyn. jarrad davis is awful. I didn't defend ashtyn becuase there was no need prior to the circle jerk of hating on him.
You can say I'm wrong all you want, doesn't make it true. Again, you're opinion is just that.. and I think you are ignoring some pretty blatant stuff on that play by refusing to accept he was in a position to help and did not. I've explained why I think you are wrong. You are saying things about what he did in that play that did not happen, or he was in a position in the field to help somewhere else (he wasn't). We're going in circles
Another opinion on Davis: Dud: Ashtyn Davis Take away his interception on an errant pass and Davis had an atrocious game. He failed to make a routine tackle on Dolphins running back Patrick Laird on third down and finished with just four tackles and one pass defended. Davis also didn’t cover the Hollins touchdown properly. The Jets’ 2020 third-round pick looks like a reach early on in his career https://jetswire.usatoday.com/lists...s-duds-nfl-week-11-elijah-moore-ashtyn-davis/ I don't follow this writer, but apparently other people who watched and believe they have a high football IQ seem to feel the same way about that play... And his play in general. I honestly can't find another writer giving him the same amount of props for this game or the season.
I'll say it once more. Our defensive scheme sucks. That play is just another example of it. When you have players positioned where they can't make plays... well then they can't make plays.
@GasedAndConfused I don’t think it’s cover 2 with a CB and S playing deep halves, you wouldn’t design a coverage like that. I think they show cover 2 with the safeties and then the right safety drops down on the same side as the Nickel Blitz. It then becomes cover 3 with the rotation. Davis creeps up slightly left, probably thinking that the the weak side WR might be hitting a post or something. @JackBower Cover 3 means the the deep part of the defense is split across into 3 parts. Davis was responsible for the middle third, and the reception was in Dunn’s far right third. It is basically impossible for a player with Davis’ coverage responsibility to make a play on that ball unless he completely guessed before the play, and if he did that he would be abandoning his proper zone so if he guessed wrong it would be all over. A more experienced safety may have been able to recover and make the tackle before the TD but there was nothing Davis could do to stop the big reception.
Agreed 100 percent. He just didn't help stop the touchdown.. that's really all I'm saying here. I didn't expect him to prevent the completion that's impossible. But this means he didn't prevent everything deep, which has been entirely my point. He was in a position deep to prevent the TD by a tackle and he did not
Yeah but that’s kind of semantics isn’t it? Generally if you say a player prevented anything deep or something like that it’s really implied that it’s in reference to their coverage responsibilities. Technically you’re right but the way that phrase is used in football, I think most people would interpret it the other way. Just saying
Exactly. Davis intercepted a ball that was thrown 5 yards away from the wide receiver. It was fitting considering Davis is always 5 yards away from the wide receiver
For a safety who was playing that deep on that play.. yes, I can't say he prevented anything deep and I would say that to any safety. That doesn't mean he was at fault, but he was in a position to help stop that TD and it didn't work out
Am I the only person that doesn't feel one way or another about Ashtyn Davis? I have to remind myself who he is every time I see his name.
The play that really is Ashtyn is a nutshell was the dolphins running back on 1st and 10 got past the line.. and Ashtyn braced himself on the first down marker for impact. Someone from behind started the tackle, but the runner got like 9.9 yards. I see Ashtyn do this all the time. It's not occasionally... I can count on a hand how many times he's actually run up to the defender to make a tackle. His angles are horrible to boot. But then I hear this take he's a hard tackler. It's almost like the bs I hear about him playing well makes me like him less compared to if he just sucked.
Yes, I've never seen an NFL safety that plays like that. You described it best he "braces himself for contact"... WTF is that?! A safety is supposed to aggressively stick his nose in and create the contact
