No that's what I mean.. it can be advanced beyond that point as long as it's not 4th down/2-minute warning.
I was surprised it wasn't against the jets, considering how we are usually on the other end of those plays... Guess the Tuck Rule Call was a little karmic payback for the raiders there, huh? This does hit on another key point of this game, though... SF had 5 fumbles, and only lost one. That is inexcusable. The fumble by Foster that was SITTING next to ellis on the ground almost made me kick in the TV. Shades of Gastineau celebrating a sack of Woodly in 82 while the ball was lying on the ground behind him.
uhm, in thinking about it some more, I'm pretty sure I'm right that an offensive player who didn't originally fumble it can't advance the ball PAST WHERE HE RECOVERED IT. (again, he can fall on it in the endzone for a touchdown, as long as, it's not on 4th down or within the last 2 minutes)
2. A fumble may be advanced by any player on either team regardless of whether recovered before or after ball hits the ground. 3. A fumble that goes forward and out of bounds will return to the fumbling team at the spot of the fumble unless the ball goes out of bounds in the opponent?s end zone. In this case, it is a touchback. 4. On a play from scrimmage, if an offensive player fumbles anywhere on the field during fourth down, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.
Am I the only one that saw the receiver (Davis?) knock the ball forward into the endzone as he was falling down? I don't think Mangini would have won a challenge, but it seemed like illegal batting (i think that is an actual penalty)
Actually, looking at the play again, I question if the receiver even had possession of the ball before it came loose. I thought Mangina should have had it reviewed.
Stabler was going down and underhanded the ball forward on the ground. Dave Casper kicked and shoveled the ball forward until he could land on it in the endzone.
Mangina was already looking ahead and thinking he needs to save his timeouts...out-thinking himself..yet again.
Of course. I am a firm believer that if you can challenge a play that takes points off the board in the first half, you do it.
I understand that, but Mangini has final say over the challenge. I do realize that he is relying on the replay coach upstairs... but if there is any question, to me, in the first half to take points off the board, you do it.
It wasn't a playoff game, though. September 10, 1978 Jack Murphy Stadium Raiders 21, Chargers 20 Ken Stabler was about to be sacked and purposely fumbled the ball forward. Pete Banaszak was next to push the ball forward. Then Dave Casper kicked it around a little and finally fell on it in the end zone. [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNMy6FV10VM[/YOUTUBE]
#3 Is wrong, the ball goes back to the spot of the fumble and who keeps the ball depends on the spot on 4th down or who recover's it if inside 2 minutes.
It is, you cannot purposely bat a fumble or lateral forward. You can't actually fumble in the end zone.
