I never saw that comment and while it was brash, abrasive and rude. I laughed. People get angry, it happens, but this is a message board, if something is funny, laugh.
C'mon Soss, that's massively disingenuous. If you're going to bring up that post, which was written in the TT forum and done so (I believe, at least) with tongue in cheek to a fair extent, then it's also only fair to bring up the post made in the Feedback forum by the same post six weeks prior. But why are we rehashing the argument? I'm not disputing that some people's actions may have been ill-judged and that in retrospect a lot of people may wish to have done things differently, but we can't change the past. All I'm asking is that we look for a degree of détente, and posts like Petro's to start this thread don't help with that.
I think everyone understands pretty clearly that this is Petro's reconstruction and point-of-view and not an impartial ruling made by the US Supreme Court. As a TGG user I'm interested in reading the opinion of the guy who makes the rules around here, since I'm interested in understanding in what direction this message board is headed after the recent events. I don't really care about the counterpoint as I feel it's not the point of this thread.
Petro - having been on the receiving end of some of what you discussed, I'm glad that you did what you felt you had to do. I have alot of respect for people that put together things like this - you do it on your own time, with usually nothing in it for you but the satisfaction of putting it together and keeping it running. I also appreciate how difficult it must be to find people to help you out - moderators and such - since most don't have the time or inclination to participate. So its easy to see how a few bad apples can get in the bunch. Overall, though, thanks for doing what you do and I will continue to enjoy the site.
This is going to end up going nowhere so this will be my final point. I just think that while Petro is certainly entitled to his view point, it has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's his message board, I get that, but there's always more than one side to a story.
I like reading about bannings and I like when people whine about it but can't do anything BUT whine. Good reading.
Tongue in cheek becomes irrelevant when the post is abusive, racist, homophobic, and so on. My stance with anyone I've spoken to, on any side was: I personally wouldn't have banned him, but I will not argue for a second that Petro wasn't justified. --- There's no war, but Petro is bitter and feels scorned about it. So that is going to reflect in his writing when he summarizes what happened. No one is claiming they made all the right moves. We had to open up about it eventually. But you're also kinda saying, "yes we made very poor choices that caused a lot of problems, but now we want you to accept us" There's no war. I really hope there isn't anyway. But truce is several steps from acceptance, which is several steps from promotion.
Love this site. Thanks Petro. I'm not 'in the know' about infractions, but glad it's cleaned up. The name calling stuff was juvenile. Some of my favorite threads are when a legit fan of an opposing team comes on to give his scouting report. I wonder how many posters (from other teams) would read the moron/faggot shit and just lump us all together as a-holes.
I keep my head down because I generally despise drama and I'm happy to use the /ignore option if I feel somebody pushing me towards dramatics. One of the things I have liked about TGG over the years is that my ignore list has been very short, with never more than 5 or so people on it. I very much appreciate the actions taken to stabilize the board at this point. I was ok with the majority of the people banned and actually liked a few of them but sometimes you have to throw some good apples out with the bad to get the job done. It's really nice to open threads up now without the expectation that some hapless newbie has been subjected to instant flames. The hapless newbies are the future posters of value on this board and if they get burned fast they won't post much. It's pretty clear that the intent of a few posters was to suppress new activity in this manner as much as possible in order to keep the pond small so they looked bigger. Thanks for taking what must have been a very tough situation, given that it involved mods as well, and resolving it cleanly and decisively for us.
Alot of people were asking questions it seems, alot of knowledgeable posters got banned within weeks, there had to be answers. I don't understand why you're getting butt-hurt, you made the new site and good luck with it, I myself will check it out, I'm not taking sides, I just wanted to know what happened, as did alot of other posters here. There is no need to throw out insults about "Being man enough". We can all go and post in whatever forums we like, this is all very over dramatic to me.
Sure. My issue is with Petro's suggestions that the other site is out to attack and damage TGG in some way. I agree with you, I'm a member of both and would like to remain so. I don't see how that damages TGG. Suggesting that the other site is somehow out to get TGG is a clear statement that he feels that people should pick a side, and I don't want to have to do that.
It was, I don't feel it is any longer. Tension will die as fast as everyone stops giving it reasons to exist. I also don't think you are quite aware of the very long list of reasons the management of this board feels scorned by the process that created and initially promoted yours.
@Johny English I appreciate your point of view. That said, it appears as though a pattern of abusive behavior on the board finally over-extended into an attack on the power structure of the board itself. This is a normal pattern of behavior for people who are trying to use intimidation to accomplish their ends. They start by intimidating the powerless, move on to those in the middle of the pack and then eventually they take aim at the top of the structure trying to gain control. There were a couple of posters in particular who, while offering intelligent positions on a variety of topics, regularly engaged in bar-room brawl tactics trying to push people out of threads when a substantial disagreement occurred. In many cases these attacks brought an instant flurry of similar attacks from other people in the group that was banned. It was like watching piranha in the water. One of the main offenders would single out a target and several others would swarm in to try for a kill. I never read the thread that caused the issues that we are discussing now but I would venture that it likely had the same pattern. A leader went in for a bite and was followed up by the same school of piranha trying to finish the job.
I'm sure you're right. I'd imagine that there are lots of undercurrents, personal relationships, oldstanding enmities and countless other things at play that no one person could be aware of. All of which is why it seems far healthier to take a moral high ground and move on - on both sides.
All I can say is wow! I had no idea of the level that this had sunk to. Anyone that would defend or tolerate that type of verbal vomit should have a long look in the mirror. There is no argument here. Is that guy posting from the hole in some prison block? WTF. Good riddance. How about some football dialogue now.......
I get where you're coming from, but me, I'm on the outside looking in, I'm not buddies with anyone on this site, so I'm pretty indifferent about the situation. As long as I can read intelligent opinions about football so I can learn something, I'm content. But with the picking a side, I don't think Petro means that, I just think he is pissed he got shit on, real bad on his own website and is bitter, I don't think he really cares if people leave to go there or frequent both. That's me though. :beer:
Wow. I didn't realize how much drama was going on. Sad to see some posters who I thought were good football people and the wry and writ of the board go, but so be it. I wasn't involved nor do I want to be. I've been attacked myself in the past by posters I still consider knowledgeable and hold in high regard, but my stance is - its just a message board. Too much going on in real life for me to get this deeply involved.
I understand what you're saying and don't necessarily disagree with some (although not all), but I'm not sure that there's value in rehashing that argument.
