I think we are on the same page here, but maybe how I expressed it was a tad unclear. Agree the Jets don't have that kind of offense, so basically, what I was trying to say was let the Jets concentrate on putting a better offense on the field so that field position won't be such a critical issue that would have the Jets draft or sign a specialized player to return kicks as the poster I was responding to suggested was critical. Sure, I wouldn't mind drafting a punt returner, but only if he can do other things as well, like Edelman for the Pats, or that kid from Stanford.
Yes that's true, but it so happens that Edelman is also one of the best receivers in the league who happens to return punts very well, not the other way around. You suggested the Jets needed to draft a specialized return man. All I'm saying is that when you have a potent offense as the Pats do (or some other teams), you don't have to concern yourself with field position, therefore, I would rather the Jets concentrate on improving the offense than trying to find some specialized guy who can return punts but do little else.
Ah, thanks, that's clearer. I agree for the most part. Of course, I'd much prefer that they draft a 3rd down RB who's also a great receiver, a backup WR or CB and also a good PR/KR, but that's not always possible. Until they get that much better OL and QB, however, I wouldn't complain if they draft a kid who is basically the PR/KR. I think it's that important that position is so important it's worth taking up a roster spot. Based on this past season, however, I think that Mac agrees with you. I think Mac would have drafted or signed a PR if there was one who also could function in another position on offense or defense.
Agree. If the Jets went into next season with basically the same offense, I could get on board with a good returner because with a weak or mediocre offense, less yardage is needed to get into FG range. Having said that, I would prefer the resources go into making the offense more potent.
Totally agree. Gotta rebuild the O-Line, we need an overhaul of young talent. I wouldnt mind if we drafted 2 offensive lineman with our first 2 picks in the upcoming draft.
Clearly we need to upgrade our returners. However, I think upgrading our punter will yield a far greater benefit to our field position battles throughout each game than upgrading returners will.....less susceptible to injury, too. I hope we put more emphasis on P than on KR/PR.
I agree, but don't think it should wind up being an either/or situation. I see no reason why both can't be addressed.
I hope you're right. When I look at our cap situation and the guys we want to bring back....I guess I'm just skeptical that we can bring back Mo, restructure Brick, upgrade at TE, upgrade the OL, upgrade our LBs, upgrade at P, upgrade at KR/PR. etc, etc, etc.... We aren't going to be able to do all the things we want. I hope Mac picks the right ones to take care of and the right ones to put off another year.
Edelman was drafted as a returner though, so it's really the opposite. He turned into an excellent receiver because of his ability to run after the catch and make players miss. I wouldn't draft a returner very high though. I'm against using a pick higher than the 5th on a return specialist, so I think you're right on focusing on offense and defense while the return game should really be an after thought in my opinion.
Me too! You're right that we're not going to be able to do everything. If we don't bring back Mo, we have a lot more cap space with which to work. I love Mo and want him back, but at least part of me won't be upset if he leaves, because it will enable the Jets to address more of their holes than they will be able to otherwise. Of course it will suck to lose him and will hurt, but with Richardson and Williams they'll still be in excellent shape on DL. Snacks has been a great 2-down player for us, but he may be gone, as I read that the Jets are very high on Deon Simon. If Mo leaves, I hope that we are able to keep Snacks and rotate Simon and Snacks. If Mo stays, Snacks will probably have to go, and that will give the Jets $3-$5 million they can use on a TE. Brick is the most important and interesting situation to me. He's due around $14 million I think. He's not worth that, and he probably knows that, but he also knows that he has all the cards. If the Jets cut him, then they have a TON of pressure on them to find a LT in the draft or in FA. Depending upon what happens with those 3 players, the Jets could possibly look to add a FA TE or OG Following are some other ways in which they can save some cap space. 1. I think they can find a punter either late in the draft, or sign a FA or UDFA. 2. They could find their PR in the middle rounds. He could be a 3rd down RB or a backup WR or CB. In that way, one player covers two spots on the roster. 3. If Howsare can make the team, that would be awesome imo. He could replace Bohannon as the FB, could also play STs, and be depth at OLB. 4. The Jets supposedly like Taiwan Jones. If they think he's ready, he would be cheaper than Jabari Lattimore. 5. Jarvis Harrison. If he is good enough/progressed enough, he could conceivably beat out either Winters or Colon (if they bring him back) and would be cheaper. Unless Carson Wentz falls to #20, I think the Jets will take the BPA, which could very easily be an ILB, OLB or OT. Even though we desperately need speed at OLB and an improved pass rush, and Brick's replacement, ILB probably will be the position that gets filled as need and BPA would seem to line up at the #20 spot and Demario Davis could very well not be back. In the 2nd and 3rd rounds, I definitely look for them to add two of these three positions a RB, OT or OLB. In the 4th round they could add their PR/RB, PR/CB or PR/WR or look for a TE. I think their 5th round pick goes to Houston for Fitz. In the 6th and 7th rounds I look for the Jets to add a STs gunner and possibly a punter. It's gonna be challenging for Mac. I don't envy him. He has his work cut out for him.
I disagree. He's 30 years old, has had over 2,000 carries for the Bears, missed 3 games due to injuries and had the worst stats of his career. The Jets need a RB with fresh legs and speed. They don't need another old player.
Let's get a couple of young guys with speed in here...I say If they address other needs and use a stop gap guy for one year I suppose is possible. I wanna see 'em go LB RB in the draft....with speed
I think his style of play is great for us.. Chan loves getting his RBs the ball in space! If they drafted Henry or Zeke I'd be fine with that too!
I'd be fine with the Jets finding a stop gap RB only because the following draft class is going to be loaded at RB.
His style of play is fine. That's not the problem. It's his age and the wear and tear on his legs/body. The Jets need a young, fresh RB who can be here for a while, not an older stopgap who is more injury prone and more likely to break down during the season. If that's what they wanted, they'd just keep Ivory. Henry is massively overrated imo, and I don't want him, Zeke or any RB in the 1st round. The Jets have MUCH bigger needs than a 1st round RB. They need to find Brick's replacement, upgrade Giacomini's spot, find a new starting RG, they need a legit pass rushing OLB, they need a new ILB to replace Demario Davis, they need a TE much more than they need a 1st round RB.
The problem with Forte is that he isn't going to be cheap, he undoubtedly will be more expensive than Ivory, and maybe cost as much as Ivory and Powell combined. He had one of the worse years of his career and missed 3 games. We don't need to repeat the situation where the Jets are playing a key game late in the season with the playoffs on the line and have their top two RBs out with injuries. With older players like Forte, with as many carries as he's had in his career, that would be dramatically increasing the likelihood that would happen again.
I think I'd rather the Jets grab a RB from the draft...a big bruising back to compliment Powell (I feel he will be cheaper to retain). Then grab a better blocking TE like Dwayne Allen...he'll be the starter...then you can have a guy like Amaro and Enumwa be the H-backs. Then you go get a Travis Benjamin...super speedy ST's guy who will return kicks and be the 4th and 5th WR.
You and I differ on Brick.. I think he is still a top 15 LT and if he takes a pay cut he will still be an impact player for us for at least 2 more seasons. We need a OLB and RB before a RT upgrade.. Henry is not overrated at all.. That kid is an absolute stud and could be the best player in the draft. Amaro will be good at TE in this offence so I can't see us taking one in the first 4 rounds..
I would love benjamin as a 3rd WR to decker/marshall and as a KR but I don't see it as possible with out cap situation. cleveland will keep him
