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Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by Jonathan_Vilma, Mar 15, 2021.

  1. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Yep, so I get why some fans wanted the Jets to do a similar thing this off-season. As you said, it was the last fun season we have had as fans. 2016? Terrible. 2017? Terrible. 2018? Terrible. 2019? Terrible. 2020? The worst.

    Joe Douglas is building the team the right way though. Through the draft. In the trenches. He would rather go (7-9) or (8-8) in 2021 building with his own guys, than go (10-6) with a bunch of vets and then flopping in 2022. He is setting the team up for future success. That is tough for fans to hear, since all the Jets have done is lose the last decade, but I think it is the right path and it will pay off in the end.
     
  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    You can imagine a bettors frustration of going to overtime and moving towards a situation where they'd only need a field goal to win while laying 5 with Tulsa. And then Zaven Collins happened.

     
  3. Cromartie's_kid

    Cromartie's_kid Well-Known Member

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    You think we could trade crowder and his 11 million salary for high picks or did I misunderstand your point?
     
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    Cromartie's_kid Well-Known Member

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    which pick do you want to spend on him? 23 or 34?
     
  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I imagine you have to take him at 23 because I do not believe he gets past the Ravens or the Steelers. I believe he also double majored in college, graduated early, was a team captain and was also pre-med. If you watched any of their games the announcers get a chance to talk to the coaches and what not so they have content.

    Every single time he comes up it's relayed from the coaching staff how he's one of those guys that is simply good at everything he attempts and incredibly smart.

    I don't believe he'll fall far if/when teams get a chance to talk to him, even over Zoom.

    I'm not huge on first round off-ball linebackers. But he has such a high floor that I think he's looking at a really good ten year career at the least.

    The thing about Collins is that he can probably play with his hand in the dirt in a 4-3. Best fit is likely 3-4 edge, but he's rangy enough that I can see him play off the ball. So versatility is sometimes a knock because the jack of all trades in college struggle to be great at one thing in the NFL. But I'd take him and figure out his NFL strength later. Similar to what the Panthers did with Thomas Davis (safety to backer though) and the Vikings did with Anthony Barr.
     
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  6. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    Collins would be a great addition!
     
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  7. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Positional value is a real thing. He’s not going 2, definitely going top 10 ,probably 4 to Atlanta would be his ceiling.
     
  8. JetFan20

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    How are the Jets allowing the Giants to get all these players?

     
  9. BroadwayZach

    BroadwayZach Well-Known Member

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    Because the Giants are willing to have a low end WR1 have cap hits of $21 mil in 2022 and 2023 and we aren’t.
     
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  10. Bills Over Jets

    Bills Over Jets Well-Known Member

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    I think that’s probably his plan. The bills made some very shrewd signings in FA after the first year, Beane calls them the “dust settlers” meaning that after the initial FA run is over and the big time players gone, you make some moves once the dust settles and asking prices come down. It would be smart for Douglas to do that, and I think he will, but with the money available I think he could have done both. We’ll see at the end, because there are still a few quality guys left.
     
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  11. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    Collins is awesome he’s on my radar at 23 for sure. The kid can do it all. There is a good chance he isn’t there at 23 but if he is I think he could definitely be in the conversation
     
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  12. ouchy

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    Just to be clear - we like Collins at 23 if we aren't taking a QB at 2 - right?
     
  13. Quinnenthebeast

    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    I would hate the scenario of not taking a QB but let’s say we traded down to 8 and got Carolinas 1st, 2nd this year and 1st and 2nd next year; I could easily see them going Collins at 23 in addition to like a Pitts. The second round we could grab a guard and a corners and hit up receiver in the 3rd round or later.
     
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  14. ouchy

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    That makes good sense.
     
  15. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Once upon a time we took a chance on a high motor pass rusher from Tulsa. It worked out well until a sad rainy afternoon at the meadowlands against the Chiefs
     
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  16. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    You can say that but you could also look at 1997/1998. Parcells came here and the list of FA/Veteran acquisitions was double the size of that list, including 2 HOFers in Curtis Martin and Kevin Mawae.

    That worked out A-OK.
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    Perhaps its not the blanket issue of free agency, its more so, a talent evaluation problem. ie... signing the wrong guys
     
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  17. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't possibly agree more. Sadly, it was probably a wasted effort. We have a group of posters here that just don't get it. They view FA as an unnecessary evil.
     
  18. BroadwayZach

    BroadwayZach Well-Known Member

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    I think “build through the draft and don’t make splashes in free agency” is the new “you don’t take an RB in the first round”.
     
  19. LongIslandBlitz

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    I know we still got the draft coming but if the current team stepped out on the field in September given the current state of the AFC East and how the Bills and Dolphins are on the rise and the Patriots going all in in Free Agency i dont see a record better then 6-10 7-9.Not to mention the schedule is gonna be pretty tough.The Draft is going to have to be the best in Jets franchise history for this team to compete next season.
     
  20. ouchy

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    If you look at LeFleur's history, he is not an OC that features dynamic QBs or WRs. He is a run first gadget offense that focuses on winning the battle up front. We do not seem to be building an explosive offense, and we will likely never acquire a true #1 WR unless they come cheap. We are building a ball control offense that will be TE and screen heavy in the passing game. The FAs we are getting reflect this.
     

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