In our current state, we really haven't kicked that much down the road yet aside from Rodgers. We basically incurred 29 mil debt on him already in one year. But not much everywhere else. We can easily restructure more to generate CAP, as long as Woody is willing to pay actual dollars, A LOT of CAP can be moved down the road. 1.6 mil you see is a paper figure, which can easily be changed. Yes, eventually we will have to cut back, but this is not the time: we got a QB for another year or two that may help win. Unless you think Rodgers is washed. Then I understand your thinking. But I am not there yet at least for one more year. I still think there is a chance Rodgers can pull a Brady in Tampa, and what we are doing now is the TB model. Also, I think soon you will see that the best FAs are not eager to come here. We may get a couple of decent guys in free agency, but mostly it will be finding solid FAs for depth and draft. Most likely Huff will be by far the best FA we can get this year. And if you let him go without tagging, not even him. Where we strongly disagree is that just because we fucked up drafting McD when we should have not done pick swap and gotten Broderick Jones, we have to compound on that mistake by also losing Huff. It's like in stock market, you need to know when to stop if headed in the wrong direction and change course. And we need to do it now. Accept McD was a mistake, and move on. Continuing the wrong spiral and losing Huff just because you fucked up and drafted McD over Broderick will get us from bad to worse. Instead draft Fashanu this time, and maybe spent another high pick on IOL, and let's see what good OL men we can find in Free agency. But don't piss away the only good pass rusher you have on the team in a win now year. The implications of not having good pass rush will be worse than you realize.
Completely disagree with your last paragraph. McD was a mistake only from the standpoint of not drafting an OL, but that does not make him a bad addition to the team. So what does your statement mean, accept the mistake and move on from him…BS. In his limited role he showed plenty. Same freaking argument with JJ the year before. So we have a hell of a lot more strength on the defensive side of the ball and it’s time we start playing them more and slow this rotation down plenty. Huff is a solid piece but not the super star you guys are making him out to be. Put all the money on the offensive side of the ball and move on, Q is the stud that allows everyone else to get single coverage. Everyone else shines because of him.
Yes, the mistake was taking him over OL. But also let's not assume he is already at Huff's level. I hope he will be one day, but that remains to be seen. So, once again to clarify the point: the mistake was taking McD over OL. Compounding the mistake would be to let go of top pass rusher we have because we drafted him. That doesn't mean we have to move on from him. Just don't assume he will be top pass rusher Huff is just yet and let Huff go. I already stated I want JJ/Huff/McD rotation at Edge. JFM could be traded if we need to save or moved inside. So don't misconstrue what I said and call it BS, when I never said to move on from McD. If anything JFM may be the casualty of this, but it should not be far and away the best pass rusher we have. Now let's move on the part that I think is BS. Q is stud, yes, he does allow everyone else to shine, we are in agreement there. But that benefits not just Huff, but others too. And Huff drastically outperformed other when it came to pass rush rate and also opposing QB rating when he is on vs off. In other words, Q is there for others, and with apples to apples comparison Huff proved to be far and away the best pest rusher on the team. You take him away, all of the sudden the defense will be worse. Especially Saleh's defense, which predicated on individual talent instead of great schematics, surprise packages and so on. You still need to generate pass rush. A statement of "putting all money on offense" lacks nuance necessary for the overall team to succeed.
Official #s: DE Franchise tag $21,324,000 Transition: $19,076,000 CAP increased by 30 mil. Honestly, it's a very easy decision now: tag the guy.
Well, the FT is not happening. "He definitely deserves this opportunity to see where he is in the open market... The plan right now is not to tag, not to franchise tag, Bryce." Now I did notice he said not to tag, and then immediately corrected it to "franchise tag". Does that mean transition tag is still an option? That's 19 mil instead of 21.3. That also allows him to see where he is on open market, but for the Jets to match it. Would be interesting to how this plays out. But I can definitely now see a scenario where we don't tag him at all and lose him for nothing. There will not be comp picks as we will be signing other players. I am genuinely worried that even if JD improves the offense, defense will take a step back without the premier pass rusher and we end up losing key games we would have otherwise won because of defense. I hope JD is able to do something here to keep Bryce.
If we transition tag him and he still leaves, do we get a 2nd round pick? If so, sign me up. Sent from my genius mind.
I read somewhere yesterday that GMs at the combine and putting Huff's value at 16 million a year. It will be interesting to see what numbers get thrown around in negotiations. He might be coming back afterall?
No, we don't get shit if leaves on the transition tag. I think if we don't T tag him, he likely leaves, because he would accept similar offer as the Jets with another team that gives him more playing time, since Saleh like rotation. That's why I really want JD to T tag him. Who knows though. I just have a bad feeling if he signs elsewhere, we will leave to regret it. Similar feeling as when JD agreed to that pick swap
I thought the transition tag gave the original team the opportunity to match or receive a 2nd round pick in compensation. I guess I am mistaken. Sorry for muddying the waters. You're right it only gives the original team the opportunity to match what the player was offered in FA, and if they don't match, then they lose him for nothing.
Did the rule change? I swear getting a 2nd round pick back was always a thing. Sent from my genius mind.
DO you mean a non exclusive FT. Its the same as the FT, meaning you have to offer the player a top 5 salary, but they can still shop to see if other teams will offer even more, which usually means making the player the highest paid at their position. If they do sign with another team for even more, you get a 1st rounder as compensation.
I don't know. That's what I thought as well, so I just looked it up. Here's what it said: Here is also a link to an article about the Transition Tag: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-transition-tag-what-it-is-how-it-works/ Here's what Wikipedia says about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag
I am just looking at some of the posts we made on this thread: His contract and annual value was predicted almost exactly. Except it's not the Jets that signed him, but another team. I remember early last year we could not generate any pass rush. Only after Huff started playing more we could get some. Then if you look back, we've been begging for a double digit sacks guy for a decade since John Abraham. And now that we have him in his prime, 17 mil is too much? He wasn't good enough for JD, but was good enough for his mentor Howie Roseman, who also had a pretty good pass rush and still paid him 17. Just sucks, that's all I can say.
In Douglas's mind, he's never wrong, so McDonald will be good because he drafted him. In reality, he's almost always wrong, so McDonald will probably be trash.
I mentioned one other time that I almost cannot believe that Douglas had months to prepare for the 2023 draft, and then he takes edge rusher McDonald. The very very last thing we needed was another edge rusher, and he was already 24 years old. THAT is why Huff is gone now. What WAS Douglas doing during those months of supposed draft preparation--scratching his butt?
100% Makes no sense to me…there were other options outside of letting him walk for nothing but a future compensatory pick maybe. When you get a homegrown talent, even more so when he was undrafted…why the fuck do you NOT lock him up?? McDonald may develop and then again he may not…but when you have a double digit sack guy you don’t let them go for nothing. Honestly, JD needs to blow this draft out of the fucking water and make the playoffs or he’s hopefully gone…
