Almost 300 yards? Three TDs? WOW! As a side note, against Miami Brooks Bollinger went 28/42 for 327 yards and two TDs. Admittedly against NO (251 yards), Buffalo (153) and Baltimore (149) he had his only other games passing for more than 135 yards, but hey, he went for 327 and two TDs in one game!!!! Schaub has a career passer rating of 68.8, Bollinger is 73.0. Brooks has had maybe three good games in his NFL career. What does this tell us?
DUH! Can it be because he is sitting behind a media darling? Can it be that so many scouts feel he is a very competant QB that rthe FALCONS do not want to lose him just in case VICK gets hurt?
It tell us that we are talking about young kids with talent! Kids that need time to acquire experience. It does not tell us that BOLLY played with a BAD OL and no run game and no fast WR! It does not tell us that being a QB on a team with VICK means that you do NOT play unless he is hurt!
Makes perfect sense to pursue Schaub over Leinhart. They are seriously eyeing Matt Schaub. A pretty good move, and I’ll explain why. Schaub has shown that he can play at this level. There are many people who feel Leinhart may not translate well to the next level. Schaub is no Brett Favre in his prime, but he could have the ability of a budget Brady. He performed “well enough” while filling in for Vick last year. So why do the Jets want him, rather than Leinhart? Well, Schaub is still in his mid twenties. It’s not like bringing in Kitna as a stop-gap. If he can perform well, we have a QB for the foreseeable future. Even at the requisite 3 years to build a championship-caliber team in this modern age, Schaub will still be comfortably under thirty. Leinhart is praying that the Jets will draft him at this point, since he knows his market value significantly decreased with the Brees signing. That’s probably the only reason he said he would like to play here. (During the Heisman pre-show, he told Vince Young that Young couldn’t handle playing in NY. Then, as the camera was panning away, I swear I heard him say “I know I couldn’t.”) On top of this, drafting a QB in the top 5 is expensive. If you do it, it better be well worth it, because financially, it’s not going to be pleasant. Schaub is a capable player. If Vick wasn’t the NFL poster boy, he would have played every game last season after Vick went out. Jim Mora took a lot of heat for suggesting that Vick might not be the best person for the QB role in Atlanta, after Schaub had already gone back to the bench. The Jets are seemingly very determined to trade John Abraham at this point. The market for him seems to be drying up more and more with every visit he makes. However, Atlanta is drooling over him. So far, they refuse to give up either Schaub and their second rounder this year, or their 1st rounder (15th overall.) However, they are very high on bringing in Abe, so this is our bargaining chip. We get at worst, a quality QB, whom the Falcons are very serious about not trading, and at best, a great starter, who is actually coveted around the league. Plus, in Scahub’s best start last year, he faced Mangini’s defense, so you would have to assume if we are targeting him so hotly now, he liked what he saw. If all else fails, we know realistically we have little chance at more than 6 wins next year. If we can stockpile enough picks before this years draft, then somehow package them up for an extra first-rounder next year, we stand a good chance of having the ability to trade up in round one and grab Brady Quinn. And who could complain about that? Some info on Schaub: A third-round draft choice in 2004, Schaub is highly regarded around the NFL and by Atlanta officials. The former University of Virginia standout has played in 11 games in two seasons, two of them starts, and has completed 66 of 134 attempts for 825 yards, with five touchdown passes, four interceptions and a passer rating of 68.8. Schaub, 24, lost both his starts. But in a 31-28 loss to New England last Oct. 9 at the Georgia Dome, he threw for 298 yards and three touchdowns in an impressive outing. Schaub owns virtually every major Virginia passing record including career passing yards with 7,502 and career touchdowns with 56. Named the ACC Player of the Year in 2002 , the 6-5, 240-pounder threw for 2,952 and 18 touchdowns this past season.
So what's your point. Do you think brooks is going to be a better qb in the long run. I sure as heck don't. Brooks will be a lifetime backup. Matt will be a starting qb when he leaves atl. and if we're lucky he will be our starting qb.
We should throw in a 4th or 5th to get this done then trade down from 4 and stockpile picks or trade up to one and get Bush
I have lived in Virginia for the past 4 years. Shcaub is excellent. He isn't a starting QB somewhere because I'm going to assume since he played for Virginia, he didn't get a lot of hype when he came out of college, but he is excellent. Virginia is not as big as USC but not as small as oh..say...Vanderbilt. Schaub got lost in the shuffle. As someone stated in this thread, he owns almost every major Virginia passing record. I've watched him play in college, he has every tool you can ask for. Smart guy, accurate, good arm strength, not great, but good, smart guy who will make good decisions.. In his limited NFL action he's shown that his skills have translated to the next level, and he has already been groomed. There isn't going to be a learning curve in the way there would be with a guy who we draft this season. Schaub could come right in and start now, he's ready. In that respect, he's a much more prooven commodity than Leinart, Cutler, Young, or any QB still coming out of college. Did he win a heisman?? No, but so what, how is heisman winner Jason White's NFL career going?? Oh yeah.... Did he win a national championship?? Of course not, he played for Virginia, but he did lead them to bowl victories. Was he a 3rd round pick? Yep, again, so what? Wasn't Blair Thomas a 1st round pick?? Has he ever won an NFL game?? No, but he will win many for someone, I am sure of that.. I pray that team is the Jets.
I do. Further, I think Bollinger will be a better QB than M. Vick. Check their #s this year and you'll see what hype can accomplish. I'll still go with the hard worker, the "team" guy who plays above expectations and can take a knock. Schaub's a 3rd rounder with less to show than the Jets 6th round pick in 2003. Bollinger gives better performance at a fraction of the price and you call it a good deal. The media perception of reality is not the same as reality, thus M. Vick makes the Pro Bowl and Bollinger sucks.
no, no, no NO! It's vick that makes that receiving corps look mediocre. That corps is full of first and second round picks, with roddy white and jenkins. They should be doing ALOT better. Am i a shaub hater? no, i think he can play. But i do no think he has quite the upside that matt leinart does.
Do we really have to make a list of all the Heisman QB's that were Busts in the NFL!? Even National Championship winners that Didn't do Squat!? I'm not saying he's the next Joe Willie but for you to base a QB's worth on what He won in college is already a formula for bad evaluation of a player ESPECIALLY the QB position.
That's not my point. My point was that 300 yards (almost) and 3TDs in one game is no basis to form judgments on.
If you're saying that Schaub's body of work in the NFL is not a good enough basis to judge him on, then how can anyone say Leinart is better when there is absolutely NO body of work in the NFL to judge him off at all. And also, how can Schaub be compared unfavorably to Bollinger, who's body of work is about the same as Schaub's? My point is, Schaub has all the tools, stats be damned, anyone that has seen him play knows that. I'm assuming you have not seen him play. And if you want to include stats, he has the pedigree in limited time, to show his potential upside. I just don't get where the haters are getting their logic from. I HAVE SEEN HIM PLAY IN COLLEGE AND IN THE NFL, HE IS VERY GOOD.
Shows good top-end speed, is capable of getting outside the pocket and flashes the ability to make accurate throws on the run. Has adequate awareness and flashes the ability to step up when pocket starts to collapse around him. Possesses adequate ball skills, shows a good pump fake and does a decent job of selling play action. Plays with confidence, doesn't dwell on mistakes and is a leader on the field. Lacks great lateral mobility and doesn't excel at buying second chances in the pocket. Lacks the elusiveness to make defenders miss, doesn't show a second gear once in space and isn't a dangerous open field runner. However, he has the release, touch and accuracy to develop into an excellent backup once he cuts down on his mistakes, which should happen once he gets more comfortable with the offense.
