For All The Herm Lovers

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  1. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Position
    Assistant to the Head Coach/Offense
    Year Hired
    2006
    Hometown
    Chester, PA
    College
    Richmond
    Degrees
    BA ('62)
    DICK CURL
    4th Year NFL Coach ? 1st with Chiefs
    Entering his fourth season as an NFL coach, Dick Curl rejoins the Chiefs after serving as Kansas City?s pro personnel assistant from 2000-02. He returns as the club?s assistant to the head coach/offense after spending the past three seasons as a member of Herm Edwards? staff with the N.Y. Jets.

    Curl will work in close conjunction with Edwards, fulfilling a number of weekly and gameday responsibilities. He will also assist offensive coordinator Mike Solari in developing and implementing Kansas City?s game plans in the passing game. The veteran assistant coach brings a wealth of experience to the Chiefs in all aspects of the game from coaching to scouting. He spent nine seasons leading high-powered offensive attacks in NFL Europe, including three seasons as the head coach of the Frankfurt Galaxy (?98-99). During his tenure with Frankfurt, his squad made two World Bowl appearances and won the NFL Europe title following the ?99 NFLEL season.

    In his final season with the Jets in 2005, Curl served as the assistant to the head coach and also coached the club?s running backs. That Jets running back corps included four-time Pro Bowler Curtis Martin, who concluded the 2005 campaign as the fourth-leading rusher in NFL history. Curl was also instrumental in the rapid develpment of rookie sixth-round pick RB Cedric Houston, who started the final four games of the year due to injuries to Martin and RB Derrick Blaylock.

    Curl served as the senior offensive assistant/special projects for the Jets in 2004. His numerous responsibilities included assisting Edwards with game management and special projects. In his initial season in New York, Curl tutored the tight ends as TE Anthony Becht caught a career-high 40 passes for 356 yards.

    In his first stint with Kansas City, Curl served as the club?s pro personnel assistant where he evaluated players with pro experience and as the club?s advance scout during the season. He joined the Chiefs after spending three seasons as the head coach of the Frankfurt Galaxy of NFLEL. The Galaxy won the World Bowl in ?99 and also made the game in ?98 as Curl was named the league?s Coach of the Year after both of those campaigns. He remains the only coach in NFLEL history to win the honor in two consecutive seasons. He led the Galaxy to a 17-13 record during his tenure.

    Before being named the head coach in Frankfurt, Curl served as offensive coordinator of the Barcelona Dragons from ?91-97. The Dragons made a World Bowl appearance in ?91 before winning the league title in ?97. Known as the ?Mad Bomber? in NFLEL circles for his tendency to throw the ball, Curl led an offensive attack headed by QB Jon Kitna that averaged 360.2 yards per game in ?97.

    The Chester, Pennsylvania native amassed 30 years of coaching experience prior to his tenure in NFL Europe, enjoying a 19-year college stay. The masterful college recruiter had coaching stints at Boston College, Rutgers, Virginia and Trenton State, where he served as head coach in ?74. He served as the offensive coordinator at Trenton State, Virginia and Rutgers where he was instrumental in recruiting Chiefs Hall of Fame enshrinee S Deron Cherry to Rutgers during his time with the Scarlet Knights.

    A former quarterback at Richmond, Curl joined the collegiate ranks in ?73 after spending 11 years at the high school level, including nine years as a head coach. He began his coaching career at Lee Davis High School in Mechanicsville, Virginia in ?62.
    Personal Bio
    Education: University of Richmond (B.A. ?62). Born: Chester, Pennsylvania. Family: Wife - Beverly; Children - Debbie, Karen and Susan. The Curl?s also have 11 grandchildren.
     
  2. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    In his final season with the Jets in 2005, Curl served as the assistant to the head coach and also coached the club’s running backs. That Jets running back corps included four-time Pro Bowler Curtis Martin, who concluded the 2005 campaign as the fourth-leading rusher in NFL history. Curl was also instrumental in the rapid develpment of rookie sixth-round pick RB Cedric Houston, who started the final four games of the year due to injuries to Martin and RB Derrick Blaylock.




    Dear God...look at the paragraph where it gives him credit for Curtis Martin leading the NFL in rushing.

    Im sorry....very sorry...but this is too good to be true.

    EDIT: sorry..he doesnt give him credit for leading the NFL in rushing...just being the 4th best running back of all time. a big oops..i think.
     
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  3. Section 227. Row 5

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    "His numerous responsibilities included assisting Edwards with game management and special projects."

    Truly incredible that Herm has the balls to bring this guy to KC. Or.... maybe it's not so incredible. What a pair of f*cking balls, though. KC's front office doesn't question this? THAT's the incredible part, that KC's front office didn't question why.
     
  4. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Section 227, Row 5

    On a personal note..thanks so much for asking me about Dick Curl...this has to be one of the great reads of all time. We have seen teams build up people before...but this is a classic.
     
  5. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    OK..im going on record right now....I will give anyone $100.00 if they can fully prove what the "special projects" were.

    CASH....I will come and meet you and give you the cash. I need some serious details about these PROJECTS.
     
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    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    gotta run boys...this was great...cant wait to visit this later this evening.
     
  7. GreenHornet

    GreenHornet New Member

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    Dick Curl will straighten things out for Herm. Let's see; Peterson, Dick Curl - why does Herm like to surround himself with Phallic references?
     
  8. Section 227. Row 5

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    What was really incredulous about Herm having Curl tell him WTF to do was that he STILL screwed it up. I remember sitting in the stands, and me and this guy who sits behind me were always ragging on about Herm's clock management. So, after Dick Curl came in to help Herm with the clock management, there were games that season in which we looked at each other and were saying, "Hey, WTF is going on here again... the clock Herm... THE CLOCK! What are you doing?" Then I'd say, "Hey, I thought we had a guy in the stands to help him with the clock management!" and Frank would say, "Yeah, I did too. WTF is gong on?"

    I notice they phrase Curl's job responsibilities as "game management," not "clock management." Any way you cut it, it didn't work in NY and it ain't gonna work in KC either. Apparently Herm needs more than one guy to tell him what to do.
     
  9. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    He hired Curl tp be his efficent time keeper in KC
     
  10. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Herm & Curl prove that we are not all born equal
     
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    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    It is called the "Peters" principle. If you never heard it do a google for a explanation
     
  12. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Me to on your 2nd paragraph. But no need to worry it will never happen & he will be a ex Chief faster then Herm could be scalped
     
  13. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Martz got to the SB but never won it
     
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    Nicely said, but probably too well-written for Chump to follow.
     
  15. WesleyWuzTheMan

    WesleyWuzTheMan New Member

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    I think you guys are wrong about Herm. Not so much about his time with the Jets (though I don't think he was ever an intentional BSer as much as a guy who knew less than he thought) but how he's going to work out in KC. Now, not that I would ever be a KC fan, given they won their SB after us and all, but I think that Herm has a lot of growth potential and that the Chiefs will provide him with an opportunity to realize it.

    I think the fact the Jets won only their second-ever NFL division title under Herm, and reached the playoffs 3 out of 5 seasons, is something that speaks to the man's positives more than his negatives as a head coach. No question he left the team worse off than he found it, and behaved in a manner that left even Herm-loving simpletons like me glad to deal with the challenge of properly pronouncing "Mangini" for the conceivable future. But you all are putting too much weight on Herm's last game in 2004 and his 2005 season, rather than the very good work he did with the Jets before then. I think he may find the better coach he was in KC, when he has a hard look at himself in the mirror (and no, I don't think he's giving himself high-fives about having fooled us.)
     
  16. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    He was also taking over one of, if not the most dominant team in NFL history(in terms of point differential), and lost in the first round of the playoffs his first year there. Sad to say for Herm he is not walking into such a rosy situation.
     
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    Now that is the funniest part of the entire paragraph... the guy would never have played if Herm had his way, yet somehow, CH rapidly developed LOL classic

    Ellis
     
  18. MDBigDog

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    Your idiocy knows no bounds. You constantly point out the negative on our team, praise every other coach yet we'd be better served if fans like me who have a rationale and well-thought out view of the team left?

    You are the fan with complaints but no encouragement. The fan with problems but no answers. You bitch and moan about how much more you seemingly know then our FO yet when asked for details all you can ever say is that you don't own the team. That my friend is a cop out. That isn't a fan, that's a coward. Someone who is afraid to make anything but the most generic of statements and thinks that repeating them over and over will make them mean anything.

    Yup, the Jets need more fans like you. With support of fans like you the Jets wouldn't need enemies.
     
  19. MDBigDog

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    That's why I said "I'm not saying this is everyone nor that some people didn't have valid reasons for disliking Herm, I'm just saying there were still quite a few fans who couldn't get over Herm being allowed to learn on the job and who most likely never would've let Herm and TB attempt to rebuild."

    There are people like you who did give Herm a chance but there are just as many who didn't and they are all over this board. I've read time and time again how Herm shouldn't have gotten the job in the first place or about how dare Woody hire someone to learn on the job. Plus we've seen time and time again how people blame every mistake on Herm yet give him no credit for anything that went well. I believe you even made the argument at one point to Champ that if we had such a bad head coach and such poor talent then how could we have possibly won anything (I'm summarizing what I remember of course so it may not be correct).

    I disagree that Herm didn't learn from his mistakes. I think he made some similar mistakes but they weren't for lack of learning but situational. Clock management was his biggest issue and we have seen over and over that many very good head coaches make clock management mistakes that they should've learned from the beginning of their coaching career not to make.

    I agree that being a DC for one year might give EM an edge over Herm, I also think his pedigree does too. That being said, I seriously doubt EM will be able to properly call an offensive game plan if need be even in a few years. That's not his job in my mind so I wouldn't be upset if he couldn't. His job is the overall game plan and making sure the OC has a plan that fits in it.

    Like I said, I think Herm, overall did more good then harm for us and that given the exact same cap situation (and talent), if Herm and TB were still in charge very few if any would expect anything less then a winning season. That to me is a double standard though I completely understand that many people were fed up with Herm and the way he handled things so this whole situation may have been a win-win for everyone involved even if it was messy.
     
  20. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    You will be the 1st to know when they do anything that I see that makes them better. Until then there is nothing else to say but they are in the crapper no matter if you believe it or not. Your rationale has been WRONG since day 1 of the Herm era whereas mine has been right since day 1 of the same era. What should anybody accept anything you post when it is always incorrect?
     

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