I would add though that a big difference with Junc and Champ is that at least a few times, people make wrong assumptions as to what they think Junc's argument is. I know people have done it to me too. By that I mean (and the intent of this thread is a great example of it this issue in general) is that people assume that when Junc doesn't agree with them that he must have the exact opposite view. That by defending Herm or TB without constantly bashing them he must like everything they do when if you truly read what is said you would find a different story.
Yes, it is actually 1 - 14, but it is a very strong 1 - 14 . Cowher has gone to the AFC Championsip 6 out of 14 seasons. While that is not the Super Bowl, nor winning a Super Bowl (except this year), that is deep in the playoffs. I think that really is a remarkable accomplishment. You and I both know that Herm Edwards will never in his lifetime come close to that as a record over 14 years even if he were to get the #1 pick in the draft the next 6 years in a row regardless of record. Herm wasn't living up to Cowher's credentials already with the Jets. While HC of NYJ, HE never got us above a 10 win season even with pretty good talent. Cowher has done that a lot in Pittsburgh. I can fully understand the importance of Super Bowl wins. That is how the modern day coach is judged. Even Marv Levy getting the Bills to the Super Bowl 4 straight years is under-rated because he never brought home the Lombardi. But, getting to the SB 4 straight years is an incredible achievement, and if not for a quirk of fate really should have won their first of 4 Super Bowl appearances in 1991. I don't know if I can judge performance purely on Super Bowl wins. Cowher has established himself as a coach who has amassed a very respectable record in the NFL over a 14 year tenure with one team. For him to have been able to do that, he must possess many more intangibles, other than being a good coach; he must be a damned good manager, leader, and personnel evaluator, too.
Yes I agree 4 straight times to reach the SB is a big time acheivement. Levy must be another coach that chokes when big time comes rolling around I guess. Thanks for correcting me that it is 1-14 while making the AFC championship game 6 times is terrific especially when it means 1/3 of those trips resulted in a SB trip & one resulted in a CHAMPIONSHIP. My only knock against the guy is I guess his 1 SB win vs years in the league. Also, it is is not unfair to judge HCs, QBs by SB wins since that is what the season is played for to win a Championship right?
Granted, it is all about the Super Bowl. I really think that Cowher is one of these guys that comes in under the radar though. He deserves recognition, but is not ready to be put on a pedestal yet.
Well, it took #525 posts but i guess we have moved beyond the issue of Herm. Thank God. But it does bring up a good question: Who are the very good/great coaches...past and present? And what are the criteria? Remember..these are OPINIONS
Landry Shula - I hate him, but he was a good coach Knoll Walsh Lombardi Vermeil Levy Parcells Bellichick Cowher - Still needs one more SB title to be a lock in here Johnson Gibbs - the earlier years; not the current yet. Stram Grant Early Ditka I may have left somebody out, but that is what comes to mind initially.
what the hell are you talking about.........the post you were responding too was spot on.........and once again you reply with some nonsensical jibberish....do you even know what the word misinformation means...because judging on how you use it, it doesn't appear that you do.
Well since it seems you cannot understand ENGLISH is saying that MD for the last 5 years has posted misinformation just like U, jetzz, MisterMoss, Tony, Dino, NY Junc, Mezz & various & sundry other Herm lovers.
Huh? "the rest of know"? Are you even speaking english? Now you've not only gone from making illogical posts to just plain jibberish. Maybe you should stick with the copying and pasting approach because when you adlib you're just not cutting it Funny though how the only way you can debate the points I make is to try and disparage my credibility. Please explain how the fact that you wanted people to bet that the Jets would win the SB when not a single person guaranteed it and even though you wouldn't offer any odds you acted as if anyone who thought the Jets might do well or liked Herm at all should be all over that bet. Hmmm. 1 team out of 32 wins the SB each year yet you expect someone to bet even odds just because they like a head coach or think the team will do well. Hell, even Vegas gives odds on the favorite to win the SB. Please explain how you wouldn't put your money where your mouth and/or system was and bet on BB and the Pats to win the SB last year? Hmmm, those are all FACTS, with lots of witnesses who can back it up even if the actual threads are now gone. So let's use a little logic here (I'll try and go slooooow for you): A = I just posted 2 FACTS that I have posted before. B = You say that I only post misinformation If A is true and B is true then C = your definition of misinformation equals using facts. Now if you are going to say C isn't true which you said above but we know A is true that means B MUST BE FALSE. So either way we have just proven you are not only full of it, but it's piled so high you act as if it's a soapbox :lol:
Amen. If Champ insults you, it's because he wants you to respond, not because you need to. Think of him as this board's Andy Kaufman, doing a routine where he pretends to be the most negative Jet fan possible in order to goad those of us taking him seriously. He's probably Herm's cousin or something, and uses this for Thanksgiving joshing at the Edwards household.
Yes, yes , yes ALL you have posted is 5 iears of misinformation about Herm which shows exactly how much FB knowledge you have which IMHO is zero.
C'mon, Trend. I lost you sportin' your very own in the gg meltdown. You owe me one tinfoil hat. Get busy with that. As a matter of fact, this thread needs a whole gaggle of them.
QUOTE=championjets69]OK you are on[/QUOTE] Well it's week 8 and I don't think anyone in KC is calling for Herm's head. Nobody is probably writing his ticket to coaches hall of fame but so far they've done pretty well despite losing their starting QB and a rough start against some tough teams. Looks like a win-win these days since we have what looks to be a young HC with potential and the pick we got for Herm is looking pretty good (other then that fumble). And at the same time KC seems to be doing alright and Herm's not getting blamed for every little thing there. I've also notice that even with a backup QB their offense is putting up quite a few points and airing it out a bit. Anyway, I'd like to propose that you donate my winnings to Petro in support of this board. Can one of the mods (if they read this) let Petro know and ask him to let me know if Champ pays up?
Well it's week 8 and I don't think anyone in KC is calling for Herm's head. Nobody is probably writing his ticket to coaches hall of fame but so far they've done pretty well despite losing their starting QB and a rough start against some tough teams. Looks like a win-win these days since we have what looks to be a young HC with potential and the pick we got for Herm is looking pretty good (other then that fumble). And at the same time KC seems to be doing alright and Herm's not getting blamed for every little thing there. I've also notice that even with a backup QB their offense is putting up quite a few points and airing it out a bit. Anyway, I'd like to propose that you donate my winnings to Petro in support of this board. Can one of the mods (if they read this) let Petro know and ask him to let me know if Champ pays up?[/QUOTE] Guess you have not taken the time to read the KCC forum other wise you would not have posted what U posted so actually it is the other way around & won the wager since KCC fans were clamoring for Herms head even earlier then 8 weeks into Herms tenure
