A) You coach against who you play. You make the adjustments necessary to win the game. They did what they were supposed to do. Would they have made different adjustments with Palmer in there? Most likely. But you do what you need to do to win the game. B) You started this by saying that the Steelers were "so damn lucky" in the playoffs. Then you dismiss Palomulu interception (the worst, UNLUCKIEST call ever) and a goal line fumble (a very UNLUCKY occurence) to focus on Ben's tackle. You have a very selective memory. The fact is they won 3 road playoff games and then the SuperBowl..its just wishful thinking on your part to think that coaching did not play a role in that. And I say that as a Steeler hater.
That actually has a lot to do with the Owner's mentality as well. There have been some lows for Cowher and the Owner stuck by him. He likes keeping someone in the seat for a long time rather than pulling the plug everytime their performance dips. It is too bad there isn't a bit more of this type of patience in the league. I'd have to think that Cowher is probably an avg-above avg coach. He's not great, but the Steelers are regularly competitive for the most part.
Yes it is since we are 0-36 presently which in my HO is beyond disgraceful & most likely will become 0-41 before we again are competive
Bettis is a notorious fumbler in big spots so why would you classify it as unlucky. It was a terrible job by him, not unlucky. One bad call by the refs is not unlucky either, its incompetence on the part of the officials. Unlucky is having your best player go out to a devastating injury on the 2nd play of the game. Unlucky is having dozens of bad calls by the refs go against you in a game. Unlucky is a DB somehow getting taken down by a backpedaling QB in the middle of the field.
Well now you are just making stuff up. Besides the fumble in the Jet playoff game Bettis had not fumbled in over 2 years. He was carrying the ball on the goal line precisely because his history is to NOT be a fumbler. One horrible call by an official is incompetence but a tackle by a QB is lucky? Well, that's a real objective evaluation.
Just for a moment, let's look at Cowher's performance since being in Pittsburgh: 2005 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 11-5-0 2004 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 15-1-0 2003 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 6-10-0 2002 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 10-5-1 2001 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 13-3-0 2000 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7-0 1999 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 6-10-0 1998 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 7-9-0 1997 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 11-5-0 1996 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6-0 1995 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 11-5-0 1994 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 12-4-0 1993 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7-0 1992 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers 11-5-0 When you look at how often he has established a winning record, 11/14 years, that is really incredible, given the number of times personnel changed during his tenure. He has had 10 or more wins in a year 9/14 years. That is also damned good. Years in the playoffs - 10 out of 14 years (excellent) Years played in AFC championship 6 out of 14 years (excellent) Years in Super Bowl 2 out 14 years (So So) Super Bowl Wins 1 out of 14 years If you examine the number of times the Steelers have been to the AFC Championship (6) in 14 years (which is knocking on the door of the Super Bowl), had things gone just a little differently Cowher would be mentioned in the same breadth with Bill B and Parcells as one of the greatest coaches ever. To say Cowher is average to slightly above average is probably not fair. I think he actually has been pretty damned good. His real criticism would be the overall performance in the AFC Championship, but he got his team there 6 out of 14 years. That's a 43% average - that is awesome! How would we all be feeling about our Jets had the last 14 years worked out in similar fashion realitive to what we have been put through? I think it would be fair to say, we would all be feeling a lot better than the 37 year migrain we have had.
Ok, when you lay it all out like that the guy looks pretty darn good. I'm just not overly enamored with him. And I know that part of his being in Pittsburgh is due to the owner not wanting to ditch a coach for a crappy season or two. (Edit: And yes, why ditch a guy that is winning more than he's losing!) I'm going to keep calling him a good coach until he wins a couple more SB's though. Nice breakdown GH. Champ still isn't going to agree with you. :lol:
Bettis had about 100 carries since his fumble in a big spot against the Jets last year and his fumble on the goal line against the Colts. Quite a sterling record. 2 fumbles in 2 huge spots very close to each other in terms of number of carries and you're going to just dismiss it.
Well, you dismissed the worst officiating call in the history of the playoffs so I thought I would try it your way
Now you're just exaggerating. There are some stupid rules on the books and at the time they don't always make sense, and sometimes after the fact they don't make sense either. But I'll take a call like that that is at least based somewhat in the rules as opposed to a nothing "judgement call" penalty that wipes out TD's in the SB.
A) First of all there was no rule on the book regarding any interpretation on the Polumolu interception. It was flat out wrong and the NFL admitted it. It had NO basis in the rules. None whatsoever. B) As for a judgement call on a wiped out SuperBowl TD: I had $ on Seattle, so I am no Steeler shill. But he pushed off the DB..RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE OFFICIAL..I didnt like it, but I thought it was a good call. A judgement call based ON THE RULES. Not a completely wrong call based on nothing..SEE ITEM A.
Well I see your points but 1-12 is 1-12 no matter how you slice it & dice it. No more then Herms 3-0 start & we are after him cause we saw that he would never get his to the promised land no how no way. I guess it all boils down to what you think success is. To some getting to the POs is it in my case nothing less then winning championships is the ticket to what I would say is successful. I would say with all what you mentioned I would tag him successful with 3 SBs wins in those 12 years.
As I said, it was one call, and the refs really botching it. That is much easier for me to live with then what appeared to be a systematic engineering of the game so that the Steelers would win, behind the guise of "judgement calls". Literally EVERY call went against the Seahawks. And there is absolutely no way that was a push off.
Well..I disagree..it was, in my opinion, a pushoff and a good call. But you brought up an interesting postulate. When you say the game was "systematically engineered"..are you saying the NFL FIXED the SuperBowl?
Only in your world maybe, but the rest of us know the truth. We're still 100% in showing people the lack of logic and thought that goes into your posts. That's based in actual facts with you providing all the evidence one could need
Talk about wasting time opening a thread. Time to grow up and get over it. So liking a coach equates to changing teams loyalties when the coach moves on?- pretty juvenile concept dont you think?
