For All The Herm Lovers

Don't you think that to an extent players are limited by their circumstances? Now, the really really good ones are going to stand out no matter where they are, but on certain teams they might not "championship players". If Brady were traded to the 49ers tomorrow would he cease to be a "championship player"?

I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the Jets have been seriously lacking in the talent department. However many people have a hard time with the fact that from your statement you apparently don't distinguish between a "Coles" and a "Bryan Thomas", in that they are both "non quality players". Yet there is obviously a vast chasm of talent and level of play between Coles and Thomas.

Also, by using your HOF criteria then you would have to say that the Jets have 1 quality player, as whether you agree with it or not, Martin will be selected to the HOF.

 

Champ...do me just one favor..dont tell me about Jet history...please..save it.

When using the word cynic...know what the word means before using it. Talking to you about players is the most ridiculous thing a person on this board can attempt.

 

Like taking candy from a baby..if your serious about this bet..please pm me.

Everyone knew Marvin and Lewis were finished. Saying nobody would pick up ALL of the players you mentioned is the most absurd comment you have made on the board to date.

 

I wasn't referring to you with the Steeler stuff, more to a certain poster who's name starts with nyj and ends with unc.

As for the part of the post I bolded, I agree with you :wink:

 

Of course, I mean there's no way you can make the SB w/o a great QB. The Plunkett's, Thiesmann's, Rypien's, Hostetler's, Woodley's, Eason's, Humphrie's, O'Donnell's, Bledsoe's, Collins', Johnson's and Delhomme's all prove you need a great QB to make the SB.

There goes Champ answering another question again:rofl:

 

please tell me what I said about the past that was incorrect.

And the following year...sb4...those players still with the jets were no longer quality I take it....gotchya

that was the line you are referring to..correct? Its sound very reasonable when discussing quality players the way you describe them.

As far as the nastiness, if I came across like that...I was wrong. Wanting you to say what you want to say is impossible...i realize that.

If this sounds nasty...its not meant to be...its just that sometimes I think its more important for you to "stick to your guns" then be an honest observant fan. You have trapped yourself into the corner many times with this "ever Jet player sucks" attitude that you couldnt admit to 3rdanddraws comment that even Curtis Martin is a hall of famer.

You have a board of writers determine who you think are quality players..because the term them HOF'ers.

 

So in your view, what percentage of the league is just average? Around 95% or so that we have no way of differentiating between, because they are not HOF talent? Surely you can see the problem with such a cut and dry view of individual players.

 

no no 3rd..i wasnt taking that personal.

You know...if champ would just say something like "this Vilma kids isnt bad", I think many of us would just leave him alone about it..lol.

 

Great argument for trading down in the draft.

 

So the bottom line is if Reed, Justin, LC, Hobson or Barton get cut..if they get picked up by other teams...I win right?

I would never take money from you champ...but Im sure we could work something out. Perhaps a dinner...and we could bring 3rd along too..lol...that would be very interesting.

 

Yeah, as much as I am/was smitten with Bush I will not be happy if we trade up to #1 to get him (as part of trading Abraham). I will be even more upset if we trade up to #1 and draft Leinart. We would surely be ubused severely for this, especially the first time Bush has close to a 2000 yard season.

Personally, I really want to either stay where we are and draft the QB that falls to us or trade down and get a running back while picking up an extra second round pick.

 

Funny how the only way you can attempt to discredit what I saw is by this instead of presenting FACTS of your own to back anything up. Was I wrong when I pointed out how you were so eager to get guys who never said Herm would definitely win a SB to bet that he would and not only wouldn't give them odds but when asked to put your money on your favorite and the top choice to return to the SB, BB, you suddenly got very quiet.

Nice try but the more you talk the more you show people how little you have to add to the board.

 

Not defending D-Rob but it's funny how the past regime was 2-1 in bringing us to the playoffs and after one bad year due to Chad's injury in 2003 there were plenty of people saying they sucked yet the fact is they had two good seasons and one bad. No real point with this statement, just felt like adding my meaningless two cents

 

Wow, you really know how to make a leap in logic. Your saying TB is an imbicile because of your ASSUMPTION that drafting D-Rob was an overreaction and not something they thought was in the best interest of the team.

As I said before I can understand people thinking TB gave up too much but to say it's such a travesty is blowing things out of proportion and seems to be very much fueled by people's dislike for him more then any factual basis.

 

Even worse, you lost your argument that Herm is too conservative like a Cowher

As for the "quality player" issue, the problem I have with Champ's "standards" is the he never presents them, similar to his so-called "system" which I'm pretty sure did not pick the Steelers to win that is until the game was over

 

I don't think the comparison really works, because you're comparing individual success to overall team success. Robertson had a good year in 04 because he played well, not because the defense as a whole played well. In that same vein its entirely possible for Herm to have a "bad year" in terms of coaching decisions and still have a mildly successful team season.