The only guarantee I can make with you champ is that EM will make at least one or two of those players better players. That was his job. Thats what he did in New England to get the position he currently has. He had a wide receiver playing db..and prospering. When Parcells came to the Jets, he made a interception happy qb prosper. What was so great about the Jets during the run under Parcells. Who were the Jets that you loved so much from that team. Probably none..or one. EM either has the ability to make average players good...and good players very good...or he doesnt. Past track record shows that he might be able to do that. We shall see. Stars are stars....we will have to count on their eye for talent to bring in a couple of them....but winning superbowl teams are filled with just good football players...sprinkled with a star here and there.
Yea I saw a little talent in him but that is not saying he was way better then the others that JW mentions just that I see him passing EM litmus test better then the others
Also champ, how many "good" players go from great programs...and sign nice contracts with other teams...and fall of the face of the NFL. Happens every year.
As good as Belichik has been, I really believe in today's NFL to have the kind of success the Pats had over such a short period you have to be both very good and very lucky. Having Brady at bargain basemen prices for several years is what enabled the Pats to stay on top for as long as they did. Especially at the QB position, to get a guy that is so good, and so cheap for multiple years is basically unheard of.
Yes making players better & having players that can play is like nite is to day. I'm more interested in players that can flat out play not just getting better & that is where the either you have it or you do not have theroy comes into play. Its like a 400 hitter in BB & a 200 hitter in BB. Some have it & others do not no different in FB you either got it or you do not. Harsh as that sounds that is way really of everything in this world as well
Champ...I understand that many of these things you read about players are puff balls. My point is that these players had a decent track record before getting here. Once again, think about some of the players that left Superbowl teams and just tanked like one hit wonders. The system is just as important as the player. Just an opinion.
Where did I contend that players from good programs are more successful then those from a not so good program?
That very true. My point is that you cant fill a roster with 50 stars. Im counting on EM building a solid foundation..and then EM and MT bringing in that Brady..or whoever to put us over the top. A baseball team can succeed with some 200 hitters...if it has great pitching. Its not all about hall of fame rosters.
You always generalize. You post constantly how BB has the eye for talent. Im telling you that players that have left New England go to other teams and guess what? They dont win superbowls...which in your estimation brings them back to average no?
What I am attempting to make U aware of is that a "good" track record means nothing when it comes to the draft. See Blair & many other Heisman winners. See AT vs Jerry Rice. See KOB vs Danny. See big Ben. You can on & on with the failures of 1st draft choices in the NFL in fact since the inception of the NFL draft some 70 tears ago only 33 % of those draftees are considered successful. That says a whole lot about both evulating & coming from a good program
I was watching the combine's coverage on NFL Network this weekend and I was actually disgusted by what Herm was saying. To paraphrase, he said something along the lines of "You can't draft guys to play them in a couple of years, you need to get them on the field right away." I literally looked at the tv and yelled out "wtf are you talking about, you hardly ever played the young guys." I really think the young players will thrive under Mangini. As others have stated here, I also think the biggest change will be the accountability throughout the team. I can't wait.
Did not say team all I said is some are born to hit the ball & others are not. Please I do not wish to argue with you so PLEASE read what I write carefully. All I am sayiny is that you need players. You can make somebody better but that still does not make them a PLAYER now does it?
Now what am I generalizing about & please be specific. As for BB I just ALWAYS contended that Herm was no match for him & cause we were in the same divisiion that Herm had to go for us to win a SB. What is so hard to comprehend by that common sense?
and again, you are talking about stars and first picks...im talking about a roster...a roster of 50 football players. Im telling you that the roster needs to be filled by average, above average..and then a couple stars. No football roster has 50 great players. Champ, I posted about 2 weeks ago that I wouldnt be surprised if by the beginning of 08..the Jets had between 16-19 new starters. I understand what your saying. My point is that if you believe..and I know you do, that Herm Edwards was a horrible x's and o's coach..and that he had zero ability to develop a young player..and a horrible head coach, how can you truly know how good a young player under Herm was. My point is that EM will make a couple very good players out of the current roster...not 50...not 22...a couple. I have no idea who they will be..will it be Cotch? Miller? I havent a clue. The reason I have no clue is that I didnt buy into anything that has happened with this team after last year. Its pretty simple.
OK from this post you & I are on the same page it appears. We will see soon enough if it was Herm & his CS or they are just non players
Your very black and white champ...thats what I mean about generalizing. Its not a knock...and Im not arguing with you. My basic point is..that for about a year now..you and I have gone back and forth about the failure of the Jets. You have given nobody credit...any credit...Bradway...Herm...the roster. I have said that for a team to get to within a kick of the AFC championship game...something has to be at least OK. My point has always been the roster was good and that the coaching sucked. Im not going to go into the whole thing again. Im pressed for time. Will catch up with you later.
Incredible post... it sounds just like Herm. What a two-faced bastard he is. Now he's in a program that uses young talent immediately, so now he's a big proponent and singing that tune? He left young (and not so young... i.e., players like Lamont Jordan) ROT on the bench in favor of playing his Geritol Squad. He played them injured even (Martin in a wheelchair is preferrable to young, fresh meat like Houston?). What a laughable, sad excuse he is for a HC. If bullshit was electricity he'd be a hydro-electric power plant.
