This is trolling of the basest kind. Telling people they don't deserve to be Jets fans because they don't think like you is self-evidently moronic, except to a moron.
To bad the board crashed & you cannot archive much cause if you would have done the research you would have never posted what you just posted
There is no history here to explore due to the board dump, but I know first hand that I have read Junc questioning and being critical of the FO and the coaching staff on a number of occassions. Some on here would paint him to be a happy lil sunshiner when the truth is, he's optimistic but not 100% homer. He's either a troll or someone who is so bitter in life he can't find any joy in what he professes he loves. I feel a little sorry for him to be honest, but I don't take him very seriously. He's ultimately entertainment for this board. No one gets ppl riled up like he does, and often times his absurd posts actually spur some folks to some very great debates. I've learned a lot as a result of his posting - not his actual posts though. :up: When only one team out of 32 wins the SB each year, I think it takes very little cognitive power or insight, or knowledge to pick who is going to lose. I can't be impressed with his "position". The only thing he has balls to do is show up and keep typing the same spam over and over. He is what you are accusing Junc of being = 100% anti-homer. This guy has not ONE thing positive to say about this team. Our best Defensive player (Vilma, arguably) is simply average. Do you agree with that? Speaking of his being 110% correct, then certainly you must, huh? You can say we need to trade up, 5 others can say to trade down. It doesn't make either of you right or wrong. It has been proven time and time again that you don't have one cookie cutter recipe for creating a championship team. Or are you going to tell me that Trent Dilfer is a god among quarterbacks? Or maybe explain how Marvin Harrison, TO, or Randy Moss don't sport super bowl rings? Much the rest of your rant is blah, blah, Bradway, blah, blah Herm. Blue, you got your x-mas wish. Both of them are gone. Move on bro. :wink:
Most on this board will not even come close to comprehending what you are saying & what needs to be done to make us a truly elite SB contender
Definition #1 Or maybe a Wiki reference will do ya. Or if you are really bored and have free time on your hands LINK
For starters, Does Champ Really think Vilma is just average - Vilma was by far the best thing Bradway did here and he happens to be the best player we have. When you go on about "31 teams not winning a SB" - I feel that's nothing but rationalizing the problems we had with "Oh well, only 1 team wins".... Back in reality we had a horrible X's and O's Head coach and bumbling GM.... Both of whom changed team philosophy and team systems with the wind cuz you know what? When it comes down to it - They had no system or Team philosophy, they were just two rookies stabbing in the dark trying to keep Parcells players competitive while making great friendships with players along the way. One big happy family. What's HErm going to run in KC?? I';ll tell you what he's going to run, he's going to run what the GM and the position coaches tell him he's going to run and he's going to motivate all he can and he's going to walk away from KC, win or lose with some more Freinds for life.. A bunch of Buddies. NOW - From what I see and hope, we have a Front office with a mission, with systems to run based on talent and a philosophy when it comes to drafting and signing talent NOT based on how unhappy the fans or media were that week.....
Yes I consider JV average when you compare him thru out the league not just the NYJs. Thst is where everyone goes astray on that comment
Courtesy of your majesty ^^, that question is answered. He believes we have not one player of value on this team. With even my own admittingly rudimentary knowledge of the game that statement can be declared absurd. Only one team does win every year though. I'm not saying it to use it as an excuse, but I'm saying 31 teams lose as it not being a great accomplishment in picking who is going to lose. If it were so obvious who was going to win a SB everyone would have millions in their pocket. Picking who is not going to win consistently is pretty easy. I'm not going to defend or lump more crap on the former regime... repeating myself again - they are gone. Done. Adios. Woohooo... a CS/FO on the move! Too soon to tell if they are going to end up being stumbling, bumbling rookies though, right? :wink:
Granted our defense spent a lot of time on the field, but an average player BY DEFINITION does not lead the league in tackles, even if he is on a bad team. It doesn't mean that he is the best player in the NFL, but he is certainly not average. I know numbers aren't everything, but average means that he is better than half of the players in the league and worse than half of the players in the league. So you're telling me that the entire half that was better than him couldn't muster up more tackles, the key statistical measure of a middle linebacker, than an average player on a "bad" defense?
You just must be dense we do not need a player that does not lead the league in tackles for losses or no gains but leads the league in tackles for 5 or more yards gained per play. Have you watched his pass protection talents if not better bone up on that as well
Champ, I wasn't anti-Herm almost from the beginning. I was very positive about him until I saw training camp, and what started to come out of training camp. OK, so that's almost from the beginning... However, when anyone said I wasn't a "real" Jet fan because I wanted Herm out, or wanted a better draft pick, I said it's not for anyone to judge. Well, turn about is fair play. NYJunc, Tony, Dino and MD are all BIG TIME Jet fans. Although I disagreed with them on many fronts - especially about Herm...I would never questions their "fan dom" of the NY Jets... ...and as a friend and supporter, I would urge you let up and lay off and join all Jet fans who are trying to come together in support of our new regime. Let's let Byegones be bye-with-Herm Gones...
Okay, I'm not even going to comment on the personal attack, because it doesn't hurt that much coming from the anonymity of the internet. But I expected better from someone who complains about people being rude as much as you. That's it, I'm done with the lecturing, I've learned that it's not worth it on a message board. While I realize that a lot of these tackles were after a significant gain, it is very hard to get lot of tackles for losses when the guard is coming off untouched to block you. You can only make plays in the situation in which you are put, and Vilma made every tackle in front of him. His pass defense is pretty good actually. He is only in his second year, but he showed some skills that can be polished. Remember his pick for a touchdown in his rookie year? He had two others in his rookie year as well despite not starting the entire year. I'd say that's pretty good as a young middle linebacker.
If you have the ability you do it. Since JV does not have the abiluty he cannot do it. If you feel his pass D is fine then you continue to believe that but for sure you did not listen to hard to the announcers during the NYJ games last year. What personal attack did I launch against you? Please be specific just not generalize
Exactly. At this point in the Herm / Bradway regime I was already questioning why there were HUGE contradictions in saying the Team is built to win NOW and their actions.... The Red Flags were going Up Early... Not so now... At this point with the new regime at least they got past phase 1. At least they are setting up and saying the right things... The next evaluation will be the draft - They could floor some of us - I'm sure some will be unhappy and some will love what they do we'll see.... I'm dead set against moving UP for anyone in this draft and I can't see these guy pulling a "Bradway" and falling in love with 1 guy - There's plenty of talent to sit at 4 or move down.
I'm not even really sure what you are talking about, but it is becoming clear that we are not going to settle this dispute. What I'm wondering is why he went from "just average" to "not needed."
I'm going to give it a while before I lay any judgement on them. EM could need a couple of years under his belt to get things up and running. Not to mention all the issues we have to deal with in this year alone. It is a tall order for a green CS/FO to manage. While they don't have a lot of experience in their positions, the one thing I like about the "youngsters" is that they will have a good energy coming in the door, and will hopefully be very motivated to make a name for themselves. I'd also readily agree about not trading up. This club could use some extra picks and not try and rely on one player to solve our woes. Especially with all the fat we are having to cut off the cap.
