I totally disagree. As BrowningNagle pointed out, that only works for one team, the Steelers, and it only works there because the owner has grown up in football and his dad knew football. Woody is a hapless, clueless boob. He's never worked a day in his life. There's no way he should be assessing anything dealing with a football team. If he had one iota of common sense, he would hire the best football man he could to run the team as team President, and Woody would let him make the GM hire, and the GM in turn would hire the HC, and Woody would stay out of the process altogether. The team President would report to Woody, and would be held accountable if the team didn't win. The GM would report to the President and would be held accountable if the CS didn't win and didn't do a good job developing young players the GM acquired. The HC is supposed to be hired by the GM. That insures that they're on the same page and have the same philosophy and aren't at odds. It usually doesn't work when the GM has no authority or control over the HC. Even with the Steelers, how many years has it been since they made it to a SB, much less won one?
Sorry, Red, but I totally disagree. The Jets structure is ridiculous and unworkable imo. Even though Mac and Bowles have said that they're on the same page, are they really? To their credit, they're both professionals and don't deal with things in the media, but there's no disputing that last year Bowles looked like a great hire, and this year he's looking like he's in over his head and doesn't have a clue. He's clearly regressed. It's very difficult to understand how that could happen, unless there is some problem, some area of disagreement between Mac and Bowles that is at the crux of the matter. The bottom line is that Woody should stay out of ALL decision making for the team.
The schedule made Bowles look competent last year but even then you knew he was in over his head when he couldn't beat his predecessor and his far less talented team even once.
So how would you organize the jets if you had any say so? I'm only asking because I don't mind the FO set up the way it is now, why can't the HC be fired and bring some one else that fits how the organization wants thing done? I'm not advocating for TB to be fired, I'm just playing devils advocate based on your disagreement. I use the Steelers as an example because they have played the 3-4 defense for what seems like forever. They keep that system in place and the next HC will probably be asked to play that system because their draft is contingent on the system. We all want continuity, but changing HC that have their own system means the teams roster will take twice as long to purge because of the players needed to run the different schemes.
I like the traditional setup that most NFL teams have. The team President basically runs the organization. He hires the GM, who in turn hires the HC, and the HC hires his assistants, and the owner stays out of the way. Woody has at least shown some progress and improvement as an owner by consulting Casserley and Wolfe before hiring Mac, but hired the HC and has Bowles evidently reporting to him rather than Mac. That's crazy imo. Woody doesn't know jack shit about football. It potentially puts Mac and Bowles in an adversarial position where each is telling Woody that the other is the problem. In order to be ultimately successful the GM and HC need to be on the same page and have the same philosophy. IMO the Steelers situation only works because the owner has been around the team his whole life. Is the owner dictating that the Steelers' HC run only the 3-4? If so, why should that be his decision? Why shouldn't it be the GM's or HC's? If the owner is dictating that, it has brought some stability to the team, but how many SBs have they won lately? IMO that should be the GM's call since he is the one acquiring the talent and should be the one who is hiring the HC. I agree with you with regards to changing HCs often means changing offensive or defensive systems or both. That's where a team President or GM can maintain the stability and not cause all the roster purges. In the Steelers' case if works with the owner because he knows football, but we all know that Woody doesn't. He is swayed by personality and/or likability of the HC.
So, how does it ever get to the point where a QB is allowed to throw SIX? Fitz had no business being in that game after the fourth.
i do think it can work for the Jets with the right approach. also agree with you about Woody stepping away, which has to be part of that approach I don't believe the Steelers are the lone example. The Giants operate like this, as did the Patriots before Belichick took over GM duties. The Cowboys also have a flat organization all pointing to Jerrah.... The Bengals don't have a GM.....now whether you want to cite these organizations as successful is certainly debatable.....just pointing out that there isn't necessarily a standard that needs to be adhered to. My own opinion......it's 2 totally different jobs with different responsibilities, which should have performance reviews done individually. I don't think one should report to the other, as that almost creates a conflict of interest. We've tried the approach you suggested, as it hasn't worked. It leads to pushing a reset button far too often, when we need more stability. The Jets could pull it off, but Woody would need strategic advisors on payroll. He started down that road by hiring Wolf/Casserly, and I'd like to see him step further down that road.
None of this would matter if they had a top quarterback. The problem is on the field not the front office. Don't make this too complicated.
With regards to the bolded portion, when the HC reports to the GM and the GM to the team President or to the owner, the performance reviews are done individually. How does it create a conflict of interest if the HC reports to the GM? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense to me. If the GM hires the HC, then he's going to hire someone who is on the same page as he in terms of philosophy, systems and in assessing the team's needs. It's in his interest to support the HC, get him the players he needs to be successful, and insure that he's successful, as it would reflect on him poorly if the HC fails. In the eventuality that the HC does disappoint however, the GM needs to have the ability to fire him and hire his successor. We've already clearly seen with Woody, Idzik and Rex that the method you suggest fails miserably. Woody knows nothing about football. He is swayed by personality and whether he likes a person or not. He liked Rex, listened to Rex and wouldn't allow Idzik to fire Rex. Idzik and Rex weren't on the same page and it was a disaster. Rex saw things one way in terms of talent and needs, and lobbied Woody, whereas Idzik saw things differently. It was the ultimate conflict. Rex was a terrible talent evaluator. It's the GM's job to assess the talent needs of the team and build the roster. He has to take a long-term view as well as a short-term view. Most coaches only look at the immediate short-term view. There is an inherent conflict there. That is why the HC MUST report to the GM.
Please allow me to dispute your assertion. Last year Bowles was a bucket of question marks. Answers have been dribbling out for over a year now. Do you like what you see?
That was two years ago in a different offensive system for which he wasn't suited, with no talent around him, and under a totally different CS.
Yeah ... that happened... Who was he throwing to? Why wasnt he blocked well for? What kind of plays were called? Why did another QB come in and do just as trash? I take all of these things into account.
Bowles doesn't make the call on the QB, It is a front office decision. The GM has to answer to his boss about why he gave Fitz the money. Probably they are ready to make a move and they will if he throws more picks Sunday.
Just from all of their quotes since they've been here, I feel like it's Bowles that likes/favors Fitz and Macc who wouldn't mind seeing Geno at this point Bowles also comes from the Parcells tree of a veteran QB and seems very conservative by nature....Macc seems to be more willing to be aggressive and shake things up I think Gailey likes Geno too but Fitz is like his son so who knows there...not like he has power above them anyway
