The Jets 1 SB was built on a risky, expensive 1st pick QB. QB alone isn?t the answer but a team that is really building something special needs a great QB. It is the catalyst that you build a champion around. You can get all the great players, if you don't have a great QB you are always going to be the underdog in an elimination tournament. Once you have one to build around it makes everything else much easier including recruiting FA to come to your team. Every pick is a potential bust. We traded the farm for D-Rob who isn?t a complete bust but he is a cap killing player who you don?t build a team around. You don?t build a team around a LT, a LB or a DE you build them around a QB. Until we have a real good QB we will never be on our way to a Championship.
Thanks... My personal opinion is that if you have a top 5 pick it should be spent on an impact player that can come in and start immediately. QBs don't fall into that category, but the following guys (this is the order I would draft them in too) do: Mario Williams, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, AJ Hawk, Vernon Davis There are A TON of OLB/DE hybrid players in this draft that are ideal for the 3-4, and are expected to be available between picks "25 - 35". In my opinion, the best thing for us to do to maximize the value of our draft choices vs. the severity of our needs is to draft the following: #4 D'Brickshaw Ferguson (Need addressed: Starting LT) #29 Manny Lawson/Kamerion Wimbley/Bobby Carpenter (Need addressed: 3-4 OLB/DE - emphasis on pass rushing OLB) #35 Kiwi/Tamba Hali/Darryl Tapp (Need addressed: 3-4 DE/OLB - emphasis on DE) By taking the great value available on defense at the end on the first and beginning of the second we can solidify our front 7. The only other defensive needs we would have is adding one more solid player to our secondary, and picking up a NT. However, if we get the right type of DE we can slide Kimo into the role at NT (which he has played before) if D-Rob can't hack it. This would give us an anchor on the O-line and solidify our defense as one of the best young defenses in the league - defense wins championships.
Numerous first round busts can be found at every position...I think we've all seen that and can agree on that.Pinpointing QBs that have been busts as an argument to not take a QB is silly. You can make the same argument with every position until you're saying the Jets shouldn't take ANYBODY in the first round. I really like Leinart because rarely do QBs come out of college so Pro-ready with so much experience and leadership.The last one was Peyton. He is far less of a gamble,IMO, than your average QB prospect.
what you saying is true for all positions, not just QBs, theres no sure thing in the draft............except Reggie Bush
Everyone position has their busts and their stars. It's not like if you draft a defensive end you're guaranteed a first ballot Hall of Famer.
we dont need to spend the 4th overall on a qb when we have other holes to fill. QB is not our biggest concern. Yea pennington gets injured, but we can have him under center for one more year. And ramsey is worth giving a shot. Besides, how good can any of these qb's be with no O-Line.
The thing about QB busts is that it's more magnified when they flop, because QB is the most glorified postion in football. Any one of these guys could turn out to be busts. If there's an argument against going with Leinart, it does not lie in what the past has told us. It has to be based soley on what you think his ability as a player is.
No one knows when he is coming back.. i wish you guys would stop talking about pennington the guy doesnt have a time table for a return
At least you were totally objective with Y2K 2000 Chad Pennington(18) - Good, but INJ Q I?m sure fans of any other team would agree that chad is a ?Good? quarterback. I?ve said it a 100 times ? part of being a ?Good? quarterback is NOT being an injury prone pansy.
The whole draft is a crapshot. You can't make the arguement that we shouldn't take a QB because taking a QB is a crapshot. You could go through all of the NFL Drafts that ever occured and find Hall of Fame talent and busts at any given position. As you say though, Mario Williams, AJ Hawk and D'Brickashaw Ferguson are locks. I mean of course there has never been a player by the name of Brian Bosworth or Jamal Reynolds or Tony Machandrich before. So of course there's no chance of Hawk, Williams or D'Brickshaw being busts. Yet I do agree with you in the fact that we shouldn't go QB until at EARLIEST #97. I do feel we should go with either Mario Williams or AJ Hawk unless we can find a way to trade down, which would be ideal. You make a solid case using your statistics, but past busts at QB have no affect on how a rookie QB will end up playing.
What about the class of '83? Marino, Elway, Kelly, O'Brien, Eason, Blackledge, all picked in the first round. O'Brien would have been a lot better if he only had played behind a decent OL. He took so many hits and still played great.
Excellent points, it's possible that QBs picked in the latter half of the first round end up being better too because of this.
The first point I'd like to make is that almost all rookie QB's benefit greatly from one year of clipboard carrying. With this in mind, I think it's wise to get a QB and develop him. This would be a very good year to do just that. It gives the team another year to get the O line up to snuff. Throwing rookie QB's behind bad offenses, especially a bad O line is a recipe for disaster. More, and most importantly, the Jets have to trust their abilty to evaluate players. If they believe that there is a franchise QB at 4, and don't think highly of later round college QB's, then taking a QB there is a must, given the Jets situation at the most important position on the team. If they think it's risky, and that they feel they can't develop an available QB at that draft slot within a reasonable amount of risk taking, they go elsewhere. This regime is doing their due diligence. They are working each of the top three QB's out privately. They also know they have a lot of picks, and this draft is unusually deep in O linemen. If nothing else, I am certain that the record of QB busts (or any other position in the draft) will have zero bearing on what they decide to do. They may well be studying what characteristics those high draft pick busts might have shared, but they won't shy away from taking the player they think is best for the Jets over the next several years. I'm sure they will take the player that they think is the best available. Interesting discussion, but in the end, every team will take the player they think will best help the franchise..... regardless of positional draft histories, and I'd have it no other way. If it's a QB, great. If not, that's ok too.
Calling Pennington injury prone, OK, but a pansy? REALLY stupid comment. The guy played games in cluding the playoffs with a shoulder that was torn to shreds. I've had the rotator cuff thing.... I couldn't even change the radio station in my truck with it. He is tough as nails.
I think it's better to have them carry a clipboard for about half a season. No matter what, in anything in life, you learn by doing, and you're going to make mistakes when you first start. It's better to get those mistakes out of the way early. The caveat to that is, if you're not learning from your mistakes then you'll never advance. That's why I think half a season is ideal, half a season to try to pick up stuff, then half a season of mistakes, then the offseason to reflect, and then hopefully you come back ready to actively learn the next year if you're not ready to go. I think we're in a good position now, Chad will probably last half a season if history has shown us anything (well, half a season at most, he'll dissappear in pre-season or after 3 games otherwise) and Ramsey may or may not have that potential. I personally really like Ramsey and would rather take D'Brick, but if the FO and CS have a QB in the draft in mind, I'll stand by whatever decision they choose. Not that it means anything, since they should ignore the fans and just do what's best for the franchise. If you get a great QB, the team pretty much always has a chance to win, and you can win without much of a running game or great recievers. No other position has that type of impact, especially on offense. On defense a truly great LB or CB can have a great impact, but usually all they can really do is make an offense avoid them. There's no avoiding a great QB, you're going to be forced to beat him.
I'm not sure Chad will be the starting QB once the season begins. He will of course WANT TO, but Herm isn't there to crumble like stale turd when he sees Chad's puppy-dog eyes. I think Ramsey will start the season as the Jets' starting QB while Chad 'recuperates', and then Chad will step in around week 9 unless Ramsey is really lighting things up. I doubt any rookie QB sees the field unless it's a trick play or a situational play like a 60-yard bomb.
Yeah all the guys I know that I would classify as ?tough as nails? routinely hurt themselves and need to be benched for months on end. DO YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO YOURSELVES?
That still doesn't classify him as a "pansy". Unless playing for a month and a half with torn up shoulder is an easy thing to do.
