Geno played 3 years and a bowl game his freshman year. I'm sure you saw him play against Syracuse which were his worst 3 college games he had. So I understand why you were against drafting him, I don't get the intense hatred for him but whatever. Most people may not have seen him play but I saw every home game all three years and every away game on the television, doesn't mean a thing.... Obviously I was ecstatic when he was taken in the second round. Still think we got great value with that pick having said that even with the god awful supporting cast he has disappointed me at times so much that I want a veteran QB and a middle round QB to come in and compete. I would guarantee that any of these so called "better qb's" would be the same if not worse with this supporting cast. Everyone looks better in college.
What makes Warford a once-in-a-generation type player? Every year there's the FOTY "best guard prospect ever". Warford/Cooper, DeCastro, Iupati.etc. Only reason Cooper/Warmack went so high was because the top-end talent in the 1st last year was awful. It was a fairly deep draft, but not very top heavy. Hell, Warford from Detroit (who went in the third just a few picks before Winters unfortunately) looks like the best guard from the class. I wasn't a fan of the Geno pick and I was hoping we'd take Warford in the 2nd (like most of this site) but Warmack in the 1st would've been a mistake.
I don't have intense hatred for Geno, I actually think he throws a great ball. But I don't think he has the football IQ to become a franchise QB in this league. To take advantage of his arm talent. And I'm not sure he's a true leader. I agree it was great value but I still don't think he'll pan out. But we're talking about mock draft and who might go where, having some basis for opinions is kind of necessary. I haven't seen this guy Bortles play once in college- I'm not going to come on here and say either (i) I want nothing to do with him or (ii) we gotta grab this guy because I have no basis either way. Saying I saw Geno in college or that I've seen a bunch of these guys a lot gives me, I feel, some license to give an opinion. _
If we signed Sam Shields, I would do fucking backflips. He is very underrated, and I'd be upset if GB didn't re-sign him. (unless he actually came to the nyj)
What do you guys think the chances one of Watkins/Evans/Lee/Ebron/ASF/Amaro/Mack falling towards the back end of the 1st. I want the Jets to end up with 2 of these players. With 12 picks, trading back into the first could be a legitimate possibility as long as the price is right. Obviously WR and TE need to be addressed, and I'm not hesitating if Mack is on the board and Watkins isnt.
Watkins, Evans, Mack and Amaro are top 15 picks. Ebron I could see going around 20 and ASJ/Lee could definitely be available end of first/early second.
My thoughts NFL 1) Lee I don't think warrants a top 15 pick at the moment but if he does his job come the combine, interview etc. Maybe. Even then though he's had quite a bit of injuries compiled, does not contain great speed and showed signs of clear frustration on the field when Wittek was at QB(I don't blame since Wittek isn't that good but still you hate to see players throw their arms up and start barking, especially in college). Lee could be what Stills has been for the Saints....but I don't know if that means he should be a 1st round pick. Stills went in the 5th round, Lee should get taken in round 2 like Robert Woods just because of his insane year last season with Barkley...maybe a late 1st round pick in the 28-32 range. I just don't see it with him being a top 15 or even top 20 pick. 2) Aaron Lynch I might be lukewarm on because of how he handled his exit from Notre Dame but I don't want any part of him. Gets off purely by athleticism, his motor is next to none. Does not have an ideal body size for what you'd want in a guy up front, doesn't have the speed to transition well as a 3-4 OLB. He'd be a fit for a 4-3 DT and someone you can get away with at 4-3 DE but he just doesn't seem like a great fit for a 3-4, especially at OLB. Anyway he exited Notre Dame supposedly because he was homesick from Florida and because he missed his girlfriend....really. He can get drafted by Seattle or San Fran and will have to deal with playing in the West Coast much of the year, you can't get homesick as a pro football player. He needs to realize that. The guy if he's lucky can get motivated by Burfict's story but I really don't like his makeup. Seems like someone who would dog it out on the field if the going gets tough. While this may all be unfound, I think this link best describes how rocky Lynch's relationship with Notre Dame really was. The Lynch you saw in ND that showed ton of skill and promise freshman year is NOT the same one you saw play at USF. http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2012/04/13/lynch-to-leave-nd/ 3) Iffy with two rookie WRs especially if Maclin signs with the Jets among the first 4 picks but I like that you didn't get a rookie signal caller here. Get a veteran QB somewhere though.
1) Comparing Lee and Robert Woods, Woods looks to be a fantastic pickup for Buffalo in the 2nd, and Lee is considerably better player. Top 15 talent, perhaps not. But it's hard not to like him in a west coast offense like MM runs. He runs great routes, solid hands, and is dangerous once he does get the ball. Not terribly big/physical, but that's not nearly as important in this kind of offense. 2) I agree with most of your post, except calling him a DT in a 4-3 is preposterous. Have you ever heard of a 245 lb DT? Even at Notre Dame before he lost weight, he was 260. All he's really suited for is a 4-3 DE.
1) That's taking MM is kept around...that's all dependant if Rex keeps his job or not. I want Rex/MM back but its not a foregone conclusion. We could sign Jay Gruden as our coach or Bavell and the offensive mindset changes. Woods had a great season in 2011 but with Lee's emergence he took a backseat to Lee. Lee with Barkley was amazing last season but with the USC QBs this year not so much to compound wth injuries. Doesn't have great speed(He's shifty and finds himself open though ala Kerley) or the size/physicality where he can't be a jumpball target in the end zone but again I love him as a no.2....I just don't know if people will be happy if he becomes Kendall Wright and not Andre Johnson/Steve Smith. If we get a Kendall Wright out of Lee, take it and run. Wright is as prolific of a no.2/slot wide out as one can find in the NFL. 2) He's going to have to add weight this Spring if he wants any shot of being picked in the mid rounds. I am figuring he does this and the team that takes him will tell him to add some weight. I agree though that given his work ethic that this might be giving him too much of the benefit of the doubt that has to be the mindset for him.
I Love It Addresses all our needs. I would like another running back somehwere in that draft. Just sayin.
I would probably agree with your idea of his style of play being closer to an elite #2 WR, not a prototypical big, physical #1 WR, I think you underrate his athleticism. Robert Woods ran a 4.42 40 yard dash, and Lee is at least as fast/athletic. While not special speed (Watkins' speed could probably be considered special), it is definitely at an elite level. Also while there are 3 elite WR in this draft, each one does have a knock against them. Lee with the criticisms above, Sammy Watkins really looks like a RB that just happens to have good hands, and Evans is really an undersized tight end more than a WR. There is no Julio Jones or AJ Green type that deserves a 1st round pick. Which is why I'm warming up to taking Khalil Mack if he falls (which he may not, but anyway).
What would be missing? QB? I'm willing to take a shot and rebuild the team instead of picking up another mediocre QB. I don't see anyone in the draft that would come in and be what we all want.
I see 6 or 7 so I guess we disagree. Except the fact that you use the phrase "another mediocre QB" says it all. You don't become a consistent winner in this league with a mediocre QB. Keep drafting until you hit on one, especially in a great year for QBs. _
I never said that we could become consistent winners with a mediocre QB. My plan is to build the team, then get a QB. And yeah, we disagree 100%. This class is full of mediocre QBs IMO. I do agree with drafting QBs until you get the one, but this draft could change this team completely. I'd rather build the team than reach for one of these QBs who I don't like at all.
Agreed. Not too fond of picking up any of the QBs in this draft at the current spot in which they are projected to go. We have Bortles, Bridgewater, and Carr who have played against very mediocre competition throughout their college careers. The AAC makes the Big East (which Geno played against) look like the NFL. We have Manziel who has obvious concerns about whether or not he can survive as a pocket passer, as well as his maturity. For every 1 Brees, there are 100 Flutie's. We have guys like Murray coming off very serious injuries, and then someone like McCarron who is coming off practically an NFL-caliber team and is not the reason for his team's success. There aren't any QBs this year without MAJOR (every player coming out has some sort of concerns) concerns. I'd rather keep what we have in Geno, maybe take a mid round flyer on someone like Murray of McCarron if they drop far enough (the NYJ third rounder at the absolute earliest). We have a shot to revamp the offense for the next decade here. There are three elite TE prospects, three elite WR prospects, along with very good WR depth. We could walk out of this draft with (depending on how the chips fall week 17) something any combination of Watkins/Lee/Evans in the first and ASJ/Davante Adams/Kelvin Benjamin in the 2nd. That will go so far for our franchise. Maybe pick up a safety and a RB in the third (say Loston and Carlos Hyde).
Murray is NOT better. I've seen almost every game GA has played while Murray has been there. I saw a lot of Geno's games at WVA. You'll never convince me that Murray is better, never. McCarron may be more cerebral, but imo he's a game manager type QB, NOT a franchise type QB. I'm not sure that Mettenberger is better either. I've seen him play a lot, and while I love his arm strength, his decision making is no better than Geno's. The only thing he has over Geno is better size and he has played in a pro-style offense. Geno is faster and more athletic. I've hardly seen Carr or Fales, so can make no judgment on them. Boyd might be better than Geno. I wouldn't mind it at all if the Jets drafted him.
I would be very happy with that draft, but I don't think ASJ makes it past the Pats and Benjamin will probably be gone by mid second round.
