I disagree. If the Jets take a QB in the 1st round, it signals that they've already given up on Geno, and I think that would be a mistake. Taking a QB in the 2nd would signify that they have a lot of doubts about Geno, but are willing to let him compete with the new QB. If they take a QB, I think it has to be in the 2nd round or lower, unless by some weird stroke of luck Teddy Bridgewater falls to them, then they have to take him.
And I disagree. There are at least 6-7 QBs in this draft that are better than Geno, I couldn't give a crap about "giving up on him" if I can improve upon the most important position on the field. The NFL doesn't care about "sending signals", it cares about winning. You win with a franchise QB, you NEEDD to find one. _
That's cool. That's what makes these boards fun and interesting. I just think that in spite of not being ready to start and having a mediocre OL and few weapons, Geno has showed some flashes and promise that he can be a franchise QB. I'm also not sure I agree that there are 6-7 QBs who are already better than Geno. I'd agree that there may that many who could be better, if nothing else, by virtue of the fact that they've played in more of an NFL-type offense and won't have the adjustment issues that Geno had. I realize you probably won't agree with that either, and again that's fine with me. We are in agreement that teams win with a franchise QB and need to find one. I just don't think that Idzik will give up on Geno that quickly. If he does, he'll be an exceedingly rare GM who doesn't care about how he looks regarding past draft picks. If he's given up on Geno already and would pull the string on another QB high, that's fine, I won't have a problem with it, because I agree that the Jets HAVE to find a topflight QB. I just don't think he will.
I agree with you, unless we have a situation like the Panthers did with Clauson then Cam there's no way were drafting a QB early. There are not 7 quarterbacks better than him. Need to upgrade the offensive line and receiving corps if Geno doesn't improve with a better supporting cast then it will be time to move on.
I dont get this at all. I keep hearing he has shown "flashes" of being a franchise QB. He has made some BEAUTIFUL throws. Yeah. On his first read. To wide open guys. Throws that every college QB and every backup NFL QB should make. When he has to make a read, he waits and waits and waits until the receiver is covered or extra defenders get to the area. He stares down receivers and routinely throws to his first read whether covered or not. He has a gun, sure. But his pretty throws are the routine ones. That to me isn't a "flash" of anything other than he can make some routine throws. I don't think he can read defenses and that to me is why I don't think he'll ever be a franchise QB. A ton of guys have arm talent, you need a football IQ to go with that arm. And I saw him a LOT in college live and on TV for all 4 years. And I watch a lot of college ball now and I concentrate on the QBs. There are at least 6-7 guys I've seen this year and some over the past 2 years that look to me to be MUCH better QBs. Already better. _
Would sign up for this scenario every day of the week. That said any 2 of those first 3 picks would be a slam dunk for Jets.All 3 could go the first night.
You said build the foundation. To me, the foundation is the OLine. Without it, it doesn't matter who we have at QB. This year is proof that a Rex Ryan led team can win without offensive talent and poor QB play. Imagine with a good offensive talent leading to decent QB play.
I really like Stevie Brown. I think he had 7 interceptions last year, and he's a good tackler. He tore his ACL running back an interception on the Jets in preseason.
There isn't 6 or 7 QBs coming out that are better than when Geno was coming out. You can say that now after watching Geno all year, but 6 out of 7 of those guys will end up in the same path as Geno. I'm not in the belief that we have to reach for a QB this year.
love the idea of picking Marqise Lee, seems perfect for MM's system if he's still coaching, great route runner, a good replacement for what Holmes brought on the field, and its not beyond reason for the jets to be in position to take him in the first either. hell they may have a voice between him and the other two best WR's. the only concern is if injuries flair, even then theres a good amount of valid options to support our QB. gotta say this is a great time to need some Offensive firepower, the drafts got it in spades. barring more than one major move made Free agency I'd be shocked if the jets didn't get two offensive weapons in the first 3 rounds. I'd also be shocked if the Jets didn't use their first pick on a receiver for that matter. I mean its OBVIOUS right? just pick you're favorite and go by the board.
Geno was an athletic QB with a marvelous arm that coming out (i) had a low football IQ and (ii) was in a gimmick offense that inflated his numbers. Throwing shovel passes or bubble screens to Austin and Bailey made for Maden numbers. None of you guys watched him in college and you look at the gaudy numbers and were artificially wowed. He's a talented guy. He was never that good. Bridgewater is better. Manziel is better. Carr is better. McCarron is better. Mettenberger is better. Boyd is better. Murray is better. I could see Fales actually being better, a cerebral QB with incredible accuracy. You guys are wowed by a few massive throws that any big armed QB could make. You are not seeing the low football IQ. If he doesn't have Tavon Austin running wild against James Madison or Baylor or Marshall, he's really just a big arm with no substance. It's an illusion. _
The year to build the line was last year. Warmack should have been the pick. Last year was NOT the year to pick a QB, any QB. It was an awful year for QBs. There are at least 7 guys this year better than Geno, Manuel, Glennon, Nassib, Wilson, Bray, Barkley, Dysert, Landry Jones, That class was awful. Manziel could stay, Teddy could stay and this would STILL be a superior class. _
He has also made some nice throws into tight windows, has been very accurate at times, and has shown an ability to run and keep the defense off balance. He doesn't always stare down receivers, either, but even so, that's a common rookie mistake. As I said well before the season started on another board, Geno was not ready to start. I know you know this, but when one is having to fix fundamentals, it affects accuracy and ability to go with one's instincts. One has to think too much. The drops in the WCO are complex and Geno wasn't even used to taking snaps under center and dropping back at all. Compound that with learning a complex offense, adjusting to the speed of the NFL, learning to read complex pro defenses, and the fact that the Jets had few, if any, real weapons for him and it wasn't going to be pretty. Add in the fact that timing and chemistry between the QB and WRs is critical and he's hardly had the same WRs from week-to-week, or from practice to games, and it's little wonder his first season has been so bad. I'm of the opinion that not every QB can come in and play his rookie season. Some need to sit for a while and learn. Unfortunately, other than Sanchez and Garrard, the Jets had no veteran QB. Rex took care of eliminating Sanchez and Garrard eliminated himself. One can blame Idzik for not signing one of the other vet QBs like Jason Campbell rather than Garrard, but imo, there's no way they should have had to enter the season with Geno as the starter. You obviously watch more college ball than I do, so you may be right about there being other QBs who are already better than Geno. I still don't think the Jets should give up Geno, nor do I think that Idzik will. I think after an off season of focusing on his fundamentals, studying film, etc., he will come to camps and be a different, much better QB. Also even if the Jets were to draft another QB this year, unless they load up with weapons in FA and the draft, that QB will inevitably struggle too. IMO they need to use the 1st round pick on a WR like Watkins or Lee or maybe Evans. The team needs a true #1 WR.
I disagree with Warmack. IMO you don't take an OG with your first round pick. That's a colossal waste, and you wind up having to pay him too much in the long run, which hurts the cap and the team's ability to use that on playmakers.
You have a chance to get a once in a generation player-at any position-that could solidify the most important unit on your entire team you do it and don't look back. I like Dee Miliner but Warmack would have been the building block for our Oline for years. Btw, how has our line been protecting ourvQB this year? _
Another fraudulent argument. It's not about getting the trinkets it's about getting the basis of your team. You HAVE to get the QB. Geno is not going to become smarter. You need a true stud to build around, not TRY to develop someone not worthy of it. Draft WR, TE, RB at 2, 3a, 3b, 4, 5, 6, 7 and comp picks 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 and in free agency. GET THE QB. _
so development doesn't exist? its dead, you are who you are coming out as a rookie? we need to keep throwing high picks at the QB position until somebody sticks immediately? and if they aren't fantastic in one year move on to the next guy? (that last part is an exaggeration but thats what it sounds like to me) I don't agree, even the best rookies last year had something to lean on or help them out. Support for a rookie is vital to making them as effective as they can be coming out of college. the "trinkets" matter, without them even a stud out the gate won't be what they potentially can be. And really how much better can these guys be next to a second year Geno thats at least seen the pace of the game and some NFL defenses. They're not gonna be the guys they were in college, they'll be lesser versions of such that will still struggle once they reach the pro stage. we can maybe get one of the better Wideouts in the draft, finally address a dire need we've had for a while and perhaps give another rookie in 2015 somebody to work with, or we can likely reach a bit for some other QB that needs time that we won't afford them. I think I'm making the argument more straw-man than it really is, but it sounds wrong to me, why get a guy that'll barely be better than Geno if that?
