#FireBowles

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  1. grkmanga31

    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, but how much of players making mistakes falls on the head coach. IMO, jets have this negative streak of playing well one week and looking completely lost, unfocused and downright clumsy the next.

    They have this inability to not handle success well and yesterday it was just mistakes on mistakes on mistakes.
     
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    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Darnold could barely set his feet, or roll out all game. When he did it showed, but our o-line was so bad that Darnold really had a hard time getting into rhythm IMO.
     
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    I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but I cant stand this mindset of "players were bad, so it must be the coach." It seems like the easy way out, just blame the coaches. "Team didnt play well? They must not have been ready to play. Blame the coach"

    I think mediocre teams will play mediocre. Almost half the league is 1-1 right now. I dont think it falls on the coaches of all those teams.

    Jets played a perfect game on the road on Monday, and a horrible game at home today. Does Bowles get credit for the perfect game, or just the horrible one?

    I think Bowles is a mediocre coach, who is coaching young, mediocre players. There are going to be ups and downs this season.
     
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    Probably won’t change this year. While he doesn’t have a playoff mandate, how bad the team looks during its losses will be a factor.

    Hopefully Maye gets back by Thursday, and Nickerson eventually plays his way into the lineup. I like the kids fire.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    He plays other young players just for some reason, he has this fixation with Buster. Its so Rex Ryan like. Buster is always 2 steps too slow, lacks absolute awareness and is a penalty machine. He was this way last year too.
     
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    I agree the players didn't execute, and the Dolphins did do a good job early on in keeping Darnold from getting to the edge, but teams are going to find ways to stop you, and as a coach, you need to be able to overcome that. From what I saw, it looked like Bates didn't try to do that until 45 seconds left in the 1st half. And then in the second half
    I agree the players didn't execute, but still, Bates/Bowles didn't seem to make any adjustments until 45 seconds left in the 1st half, and I'm not even sure if they did make adjustments or Sam & Co. just finally figured things out. But it was clear that whatever they were trying to do wasn't working, and a good coach would try some different things. Maybe he did and they didn't work either. But there didn't seem to be any urgency to get it solved. Why not go to a no huddle, try some different plays, screens, etc.?

    TBH, none of us are privy to what is said between the players and coaches during practices or games, so I can't know where the breakdown is, all I can go off is what I'm seeing, and in the end it's up to the coaches to get the players to execute, and some of them obviously weren't. You say that's on the players; I say that the coaches have responsibility too. They draw up a game plan for how they'd like to see things go, but then when the game starts they need to be able to make adjustments, and I didn't see that happening until almost the half. Maybe since it's Bates's 2nd game we have to be more patient, but that's a scarce commodity after ll these years.
     
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    I agree that Bowles wasn't terrible, but they still burned a T.O. in the 2nd qtr, that they sure could've used at the end of the half. Might've cost the game.
     
  8. Biggs

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    Rookie QB. We came out in the second half and scored a TD. On the next possession we took the ball away from Miami and Darnold threw an INT. Game over. The halftime adjustments were great. We came out at halftime and were in position to get the game manageable with lots of time on the clock. The QB blew it.

    What happened at the end of the first half hurt. The Anderson fumble was a killer.

    It's a young team. The OL has issues. It's very early. Most of the damage was a combination of a Rookie QB and a couple of bad breaks. The last Miami drive was death. We ran out of gas. It's football. Move on to next week.

    I had to watch my second favorite team get blown out by LA and not cross mid field until the last possession of the game. The Jets look great in comparison.
     
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    Thank You.....

    SOme of you need to take notes from Mr. Biggs. All these knee jerk bi-polar reactions around here are starting to make this board unbearable
     
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    Time for Chosen Rosen. Bradford is pathetic.
     
  11. Biggs

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    Bradford is done but McCoy is running a HS football O. You can't believe how much more creative the Jets O is with a rookie QB than the Cardinals O with Bradford.
     
  12. SOJAZ

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    the second int was on the WR not Sam... The WR mad that statement today ...read NY Post.

    This loss was on the players and coaches. both are responsible. Little adjustments, botch assignments, penalties, no accountability. Look at how the Loins played yesterday,,, they looked like a different team then Monday...it happens. Mt day was made when Jacksonville kick NE ass all over the field and striped Brady and won the game.
     
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  13. Biggs

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    Maybe you should stop reading the NY Post. It's known to lower your IQ. No accountability. Didn't you see them take Pryor and Sam into the Blue Tent and threaten to kill them if they didn't confess? Pryor was publicly whipped at the facility this morning. WTF do you know about accountability?
     
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    I'm not sure yesterday's game was horrible but it did have a lot of things that should have been done better. There is also no way the season opener was perfect. Sure the team and Darnold happily surprised but there were concerns that have been pointed out. If we get into a black and white mindset we'll never be able to see all the different shades of gray. Hopefully coaches and management do and work on every little thing that will make the team a consistent winner.
     
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    4 years and counting...
     
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    Please tell us what you think the CS could have done to stop Anderson from fumbling? Pryor for not catching a perfectly thrown ball, Heedon from dropping passes and for not getting a td?

    Because any of these could have won the game and really anyone who blames it on the HC is clueless.

    As is whining after every loss that is on the HC.
     
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    Two actually but I get your point
     
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    Yeah, if I had to rate this CS yesterday I would give him probably a C ... but not due to what the NY Post said. Week 1, it was an A. Guess we should keep track now.

    He gets a C for the following reasons:

    1 - Buster Skrine
    2 - Not enough touches for Powell

    EDIT - I removed #2, as I saw the play a few more times and it was the right call. Punter was messing up field position, it was worth the call; I also changed his grade from a C- to just a C because of that.
     
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  19. ColoradoContrails

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    I blame the coaches for not doing a better job of teaching situational awareness, and not stressing the absolute criticality of protecting the ball; for allowing that T.O. to be burned in the 2nd qtr. that would've allowed them to use it at the end of the half to get some points; for not being quicker to make adjustments to the pressure Sam was getting.

    I am by no means absolving the players, nor ignoring the youth of this team, but you seem to be absolving the CS, an I disagree with that.
     
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    You mean like when Keith Hernandez went out to the mound in the bottom of the 16th inning in the 86 playoffs and told Jesse Orosco to throw a fing strike?
     
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