I'm not advocating that Darnold call ALL his own plays, I'm saying that if his headset isn't working that he should be able to call a play instead of burning a T.O. And I also note that SOMETIMES it might be worth burning the T.O. - for example, you're in scoring territory and the potential to score is there. Sure, take the T.O. to maximize your chances. But how often have we seen Bowles's teams call time outs in other situations and later need one? Again, the risk of having Darnold "screw up" a play call is less than the damage caused by burning a T.O. that you later need. As to football being 100x more advanced, that's debatable. It's still about moving the ball and crossing the goal line, and frankly there are times when QBs HAVE "drawn the play up in the dirt" and executed it. But in any case, Darnold himself has audibled, meaning he called the play on his own. What's the difference between doing it at the LOS of in the huddle? None.
What if Darnold calls a play out of his ass, receiver runs the wrong route and gets a pick 6? This level of communication takes time. You maximize your chances as you said, so in that situation a rookie QB on the road, first game, you call a timeout. You don't have him call just anything. It's his first game. I think you are really underestimating the transition for a QB into the NFL. These things you just do not do with a QB who is playing their first game. We are going to disagree on this one, but definitely not a fireable offense which at the end of the day is one of the reason you want Bowles fired. Rookie QB has a communication issue, no other coach is going to let that QB call a play on his own like that with the clock going down.
This alone is not a fireable offense, but his in-game management has been an issues and this is part of it. And again, you're putting words in my mouth to make it easier for you to make your claim. How exactly would Darnold "call a play out of his ass?" Why wouldn't he call a play that he and the team know and have practiced, which is what I suggested he do in the case where his helmet comms aren't working. And "at the end of the day" I don't want Bowles fired unless he continues to make the same mistakes and shows himself to not be qualified to take them to the SB. Again, straw man argument saying that I simply want Bowles fired because I don't like him. What utter nonsense! I don't even KNOW Bowles, so my liking or disliking him isn't an issue. You just want to make it the issue to more easily dismiss my POV. You're trying to defend the indefensible: Bowles has had problems managing games, specifically time outs and situations that entail risk. These are not trivial nitpicks but go to the heart of whether he can be a good coach who can win big games and take them to the SB.
Yeah, I am not making a big deal out of a rookie QB having connection communication issues in his first game resulting in a TO. Do you know how thick an NFL playbook is? There are hundreds of playcalls. Finding what the Jets O does best, won't be known overnight. Like I said before in this topic, I have my eyes on certain things Bowles does. Wherever you pay attention to those things is on you. The example you brought up isn't one of them. If it continues to happen, it will warrant discussion, but I am happy with how Bowles handled the first game of the year. Time to adjust and move on to Miami. His game managing was fine in WK1.
Only if by not using them they lost the opportunity to score. OTOH, if they use them up too soon and don't have any left to prolong a scoring drive before the half ends that's a problem.
We’re talking about 1 isolated instance from the most recent game & even w that folks are going great lengths of rationalization,extenuating circumstances & just flat out excuses to try & defend it.Given that this is a much bigger issue in his entire tenure..i think that speaks volumes.
Honestly, I have a problem with Bowles not having a solution to cover when helmet comms go out, for example, plays designed to be used in that situation to avoid having to call a T.O. It's not like this is a rare occurrence - especially when playing the Cheats. Each game, based upon the team I was playing, I would designate a handful of plays that would be "emergency plays" in the event the comms weren';t working, or the play came into the huddle too late.
Yup, 1 instance being microscopic and due to Darnold not hearing the communication in his first game, and the other was because WK1 (2017); McCown was playing like an asshole the entire game, 4 mins left on the clock, punts and gives his defense a shot to get a 3 and out and maybe better field position. There's no going through great lengths, just nitpicking and not understanding context within those situations. Calling a timeout was the solution. Get the rookie back to the coaches and discuss a game-plan. Again, you underestimate a rookie QB playing his first game. Emergency plays in emergency situations and I do not think that is something you do in the first half of a football game. After you saw him throw a pick 6 on his very first pass.
I respect that. I am sorry but its nitpicking brother, not trying to cause further arguments or be an asshole but I am simply telling you how it is, in today's game. You don't make a rookie qb, call a random (or emergency) play that he may know in the first half of his first NFL game. If I am Bowles, I trust Darnold, but I am not giving him free reign just yet. Call timeout, get the right play (or next 2 plays) in and increase your shot at getting a score. You guys didn't even know why he called the T.O. in the first place, you were just quick to judge. That's what bothers me. 3rd T.O was called at 3:13 in the 1st half. Resulted in a score with the bomb to Anderson. The first timeout led to 3 points. So what really is the issue? Cause he didn't have 2 TOs before the 2 min warning? Jets had a 17-10 lead.
That's not what happened. We are also playing a Monday night game on the road with a rookie QB who's first pass was a pick 6. What actually happened is on the last possession we had with any time on the clock to score is we called a timeout followed by a TD strike to Anderson. That was the 3rd TO. We got the ball back with 11 seconds on the clock on our 25 and took a knee. Seems to me we have a rookie QB who's first pass on the road gives the other team the lead. We go into halftime up a TD and used all 3 of our TO. One of them to draw up a TD on our last possession with field position of the first half. Nice job coaching staff. In the NE Game the Pats lost a TO on a failed challenge at the 11 plus mark of the 3rd. That's one of the dumbest things a coach can do. Brady called his second TO at the 10:21 mark of the 4th Quarter. They came out and ran the ball for no gain before kicking a FG. Tom Brady wanted to make sure they were all on the same page. They took their last TO to make a decision on a 4th and 2. They decided to punt.
Serious question, if Bowles had the same record but made the playoffs in 2015 as most 10-6 teams do would he be considered a better coach?
Looked like communication problems between the oc and the qb. At least one of them was the headset malfunctioning.
Oh TY CC.!! Plus my son and daughter grew up Giants fans due to ex wife's influence. haha..sons girlfriends parents are Raider fans which was fav team #2 for me growing up I am in Manhattan now staying midtown. Place looks exactly the same but entirely different as I age on. ..Sigh. Not a kid from Bklyn anymore riding the Subway M train or going out to Bay Ridge
I'm pretty sure that's why we're all here and pretty damn sure most would rather throw flowers, but sometimes guys paint targets on their own asses and only a dart will do. Of course, most of the time these guys deserve neither darts nor flowers but favorable commentary when they perform and recognition of concerns when all is not so great. Much like "fat, dumb and stupid," pretending that all is well when much is not is no way to go through life - a message that has apparently been lost to a succession of ownership for almost fifty years. TGG and every other Jets forum should be required reading for management.
This upcoming game is a huge one for the coaching staff. This team has had a history of laying eggs after convincing wins. If the Jets lay an egg this week against the Dolphins, I think this coaching staff is done. They really need to be prepared and mentally ready for this game. I fear they won't be.
