Bummer. I was hoping to have a stats quiz about how stat folks are more fun at parties, in a condescending way. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Aaron Rodgers went down. Green Bay was struggling. Now he's back and may win the game. The same coach is there the whole game.
I would humbly and politely take any upcoming college offense guru Actually I would take my local HS coach. Actually I would prefer my dog coach the jets over an invalid..
You don't seem to get it at all - it doesn't matter what their prediction is, one win or fifteen, they get paid to have people read or watch their stuff. I note that you chose to completely ignore the part where I stated that the only real experts at making predictions are the guys who put their money where their mouths and their money are - the bookmakers. And it was no "failed theory"- the team really did suck.
Keep me out of your little pissing matches you have with others. I deal with facts and opinions; feel free to prove my facts wrong or differ with my opinion but expect the same. And you don't get to characterize what I want even if you choose to tie me up in the same package as someone else. For the record, my "agenda" is to see the Jets succeed; I view the retention of Todd Bowles as counterproductive to that goal.
I honestly believe you would do a disservice to the board as a whole to lock threads simply because some of the opinions presented may be unpopular with some other posters. I understand completely that a new season starts in just a few hours and that the Jets may have a guy to quarterback the team who may be the most promising addition to the team in decades but there are threads for that and threads for this. No one is required to participate in any of them but everyone should endeavor to participate with respect for all involved. Censor abuse, not opinions.
I find this post somewhat perplexing. Even after wearing a homemade aluminum foil hat for the last half hour I can't figure out what kind of conspiracy theory you might have in mind and what kind of agenda someone would need to have simply because he thinks the team would have a better opportunity going forward after a coaching change. Why would the board suffer for airing different opinions? What possible agenda could there be? And where do the conspiracy theories come in?
Haha it's not even the stats, it's his childish arrogance that ruins it Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Ah, so you're telling me that what everyone said, everywhere was said to "have people read or watch their stuff". Of you ignored the basic question, why does predicting in print or anywhere else that the Jets will win fewer than they actually believe to be the case than more help them get there? You think fans are just itching to read that their team is a 1 win shitmess instead of that they'll win more than people originally thought? Ok, makes sense nowhere other than to explain you're agenda driven point. Here's an answer to the failed bookmaker piece. Odds are reflective of betting lines. Protecting the money and where it's bet. Not who they think is better necessarily. Find anew reason and proof to defend your ridiculous stance that all those who picked the Jets to win only a game or two did it for there own good. That's nuts and makes no sense on any level.
Great article on what some of us have been saying for years. For anyone that never read the Athletic its the best sports read out there. Its so good I paid $43 per year to read it, its that good https://theathletic.com/512598/2018...will-also-prove-to-be-a-focus-of-this-season/ DETROIT — The beginning of each of Todd Bowles’ press conferences this season have varied, but inevitably all roads of questioning during these sessions have led back to Sam Darnold and the rookie’s preparedness for whatever next step of his development awaits that week. The lead up to Monday night’s season opener against the Lions was no different, with Bowles on Friday adding a rather elementary reminder of why the team was getting on the plane to Michigan in the first place. “We’re going to be trying to win a game,” he said. “Not play a game.” Well, sure. But while winning and Darnold’s progression will be the fourth-year head coach’s two primary focuses of this year, convincing his bosses that he’s the right man to lead the Jets should likely be another one. It’s been a rapid fall from grace for the former Cardinals defensive coordinator. He won 10 games his first year in 2015. Had it not been for a Week 17 playoff-eliminating collapse against the Bills, he’d likely have been Coach of the Year. Since then? He’s 10-22 with his flaws outweighing most of his positives. Bowles played in the NFL for eight years. He served as an assistant or coordinator from 2000 until 2014. These last three years – his first and only as a head coach – have seen Bowles struggle with in-game management. There was the time Bowles elected to punt last year against the Bills, facing a 4th and 8 near midfield with four minutes left down nine points. The time he chose run out the halftime clock against the Broncos instead of trying to score and flip momentum. The time in 2016, also against the Bills, he forgot to go for two points, which kept the Bills in the game late. He chose to punt three weeks later trailing the Steelers by two scores with seven minutes left facing a 4th and 2. But it’s not just that. Bowles botched the quarterback situation each of the last two years, sticking with Ryan Fitzpatrick too long (2016), then not giving Josh McCown enough reps in 2017 to ready him for the regular season. There were discipline problems with ex-Jets Sheldon Richardson and Muhammad Wilkerson. An eye-opening, tell-all interview from former defensive line coach Pepper Johnson in which he questioned the very fabric of Bowles’ coaching staff. None of these situations warrant firing. Rookie mistakes are understandable. Rookie mistakes in your fourth year? Not so much. After the Jets wrapped up this year’s minicamp, Bowles gave an honest and earnest assessment of his own progression. “We get judged off wins and losses,” he said, “So right now, I’m not a very good coach.” In a black-and-white world, Bowles is right. But it’s about more than wins. He needs to show his own progress to instill faith he’s the right man to get this success-starved franchise out of its near decade-long rut. Darnold isn’t the only one under the microscope. Three storylines: Do the Jets have a rusher? Opponents sacked Lions quarterback Matt Stafford 47 times last year — more than anyone else in the NFL. Most teams would enter this week licking their chops. The Lions’ front might be the ones doing that, though. After failing to solidify a deal for Khalil Mack (the Raiders traded him to the Bears instead), the Jets enter 2018 with genuine concerns at outside linebacker. Basically, they don’t have a pass rusher. Jordan Jenkins and Josh Martin are run-stuffers. Brandon Copeland is a journeyman. Virtually the only guy with proven ability to get the quarterback is the one signed this week: Linebacker Jeremiah Attaochu. Attaochu showed some promise as a situational pass rusher for the Chargers in 2015 when he registered six sacks. Then injuries limited him to just 12 games his last two years. He flashed in training camp with the 49ers this summer, but when he missed time with a groin injury, general manager John Lynch let him go. “As you go into the regular season, dependability regarding knowing a guy is going to be out there is really important, and we just didn’t have that feeling,” Lynch said. Attaochu practiced in a limited capacity with the Jets this week. He’s on the injury report with a calf issue. The Jets need him to make a difference. Receiver deployment There’s no Antonio Brown, Julio Jones or Odell Beckham Jr. on the Jets’ roster. They might not even have an Amari Cooper. At their disposal instead is a group of guys who do a bunch of things well, just nothing great. Robby Anderson is the deep threat, someone with unmatched speed and uncanny ball skills. Jermaine Kearse (if he plays) is the reliable veteran and safety blanket. Quincy Enunwa is a physical freak best after the catch and Terrelle Pryor is the 6-4, 230-pound X-factor. The Jets would certainly love to have a proven No.1 guy, but the complement of players isn’t a bad consolation prize. When used correctly, they can give a defense fits: You don’t know who to key in on. Keywords: When used correctly. The Jets haven’t had all their receivers at their disposal in a game yet. Enunwa, Pryor and Kearse all missed time with various ailments. Jeremy Bates is heralded for his creativity and unique playcalling. It’s anyone’s guess as to how he’ll use his guys. Development of young players The feeling around last year’s Jets club was about as confident as you could imagine for a team that finished six games under .500. The future was bright, players and coaches said. This was a step in the right direction. And they were right. The weekly fight against superior teams and chemistry in the locker room built a solid foundation. It just doesn’t matter how sturdy the cement is if you park a trailer over top. Jamal Adams, Leonard Williams, Marcus Maye (although he won’t play with a foot injury), Sam Darnold, Darron Lee and others are all young potential cornerstones for the Jets. Potential means nothing if it never develops. Adams and Maye (likely out Monday) had promising rookie years, but aren’t elite playmakers yet. Williams had just two sacks in 2017. Darnold is a rookie. Lee’s left much to be desired through two years. These players must step up. It starts against Detroit. The Jets win if … Call me crazy, but I think the Jets offense, even with a rookie under center, can score points. The offensive line is improved if healthy. The 1-2 punch of Bilal Powell and Isaiah Crowell is more than competent. The receivers are good. The tight ends are better than they were. Assuming Bates is the offensive mastermind the Jets believe, they’ll put up enough points to win games. I just don’t think they’re good enough to win a shootout. The Jets need their defense to force two to three turnovers and keep Stafford in check. If that happens, they’ve got a shot. The Jets lose if … Pretty simple: They don’t get to Stafford. The secondary is loaded with talent. It’s, on paper, one of the best in the league. Trumaine Johnson and Morris Claiborne are each No. 1 guys. Buster Skrine is above-average in the slot. There’s so much to like about Adams and Maye (although he’s likely out on Monday). But no secondary can cover forever. The Jets desperately need to pressure Stafford. If that means Williams or Attaochu stepping up, so be it. If that means blitzing the house, fine. It will be a long night if they can’t get home. Fantasy start: Bilal Powell should be more involved in the offense this year than any other in his eight-year career. Look for the Jets to get him going on the ground and through the air. Young quarterbacks tend to check it down more than most, which means more receptions for the 29-year-old, especially if the Lions jump out early. Fantasy sit: The Jets will use Terrelle Pryor, it’s just unclear how much. He’s still behind Robby Anderson and Quincy Enunwa, even with Jermaine Kearse likely out. He’s a big boom-or-bust guy. Until he shows he’ll be used regularly, he’s not worth a start. History says … The Jets last faced the Lions in 2014, suffering a 24-17 loss. Stafford completed 24 of 34 passes for 293 yards with two touchdowns and one interception. Geno Smith went 17 of 33 for 209 yards with a touchdown and a pick. The Jets were able to keep Calvin Johnson in check, limiting the wideout to two catches for 12 yards. Muhammad Wilkerson had 1.5 sacks. Prediction I don’t see the Jets getting to Stafford. I just don’t. This pass rush will be an issue throughout the year, especially against high-powered offenses. The secondary can’t cover forever. You’ll see that Monday night. Lions, 31-23.
1. You said it, I'll cite it. 2. Saying that all the predictions that the Jets will win 1-3 games at best were made to increase viewership, duh, is not a fact. And you have absolutely no proof on any level that it's true. Yet you keep saying it. 3. I get to comment on anything I want, especially if you were discussing with me or others on a public forum. No one is harmed or should have their panties twisted. I assume you're an adult, that I don't agree with you should never get you twisted. But that's pretty much par for the course. You disagree or someone disagrees with you and you eventually get to here. Complaining about an open discussion when there's disagreement. The agenda is protection you spiel at all costs. I make a simple, accurate comment that most predicted 1-3 wins for the Jets and you're fighting it when everyone knows it was said everywhere. Your claim that they underachieved means that you are saying the predictions weren't 1-3 wins, that it was 6 or more wins. I'll bet the house you can't find a 6 win prediction anywhere. That you didn't predict 6 or more wins. You go back to your original statement that the Jets under Bowles underachieved which of course gets blown to shit if they won 2-4 more games than generally accepted. Agenda. Thin skinned.
Oh so I see the agenda now, lets lock up shitty threads for obsessive (& pointless) arguing, but when someone makes a shitty topic that YOU (along with others, as its not just you) agree with ... the thread shouldn't be locked up? Right. I bet you still didn't read this thread as we argued about something earlier and you just tried involving your instigating ass into the discussion to cause more arguments?
McCarthy went from looking like a fat drunk to a genius in about 5 minutes. I thought I was watching an episode of "Queer eye".
Thanks for posting it. Great read. The bold are key points many of us have been trying to surface. It will take more than Sam's success to save Bowles.
I think this is something we all have mentioned, we all know Bowles and the CS have to ensure development of players is happening. We all know Bowles has to get better as a coach, some have seen the good to go along with the bad. However, I don't see this as a negative just yet ... not unless those players do not develop THIS YEAR. That's when you see fans such as myself turn on Bowles, but not yet. That's where our views differ big time. That is not the agenda I am referring to.
I understand Brook's impulse to close this thread so we can all focus on the Jets in a more positive way, but reality is reality. And those of is who still question whether Bowles is the right guy to lead this to the SB - that's right, SB, not just "improved", or "making the playoffs", but going all the way! - aren't alone. In addition to the bove article posted by Sec314, there is this one today in the NY Post: https://nypost.com/2018/09/10/todd-bowles-has-to-make-his-stand-now-to-keep-coaching-jets/ "...He needs to be better at clock management. He needs to be better at making adjustments, both at halftime and on the fly. It would be nice if he started to be even a little bit aggressive with his in-game decisions instead of always erring on the side of caution. And while many of his players expressed joy at his retention last December, that has to translate into tangible coached-up performance. The dearth of talent and depth may be the ultimate road block between the Jets and a serious playoff run; it is on the coach to make sure that is the only impediment, that the team doesn’t engage in the kind of self-sabotage that perennially derails it, an issue that predates him but hasn’t yet been remotely solved by him." This sums up what I've said about Bowles many times. It's not that he's a bad person, or even a bad coach, but he just isn't a good coach, and I don't believe he ever will be. Can he win? Probably. But at best I see him as a slightly above .500 coach - if he actually reaches his full potential. That's not good enough. I want a Weeb Ewbank, a Vince Lombardi,a Bill Walsh, a Chuck Noll, somebody who figures out a way to make his team great (I left off BB because his success is based upon cheating). When a guy repeatedly goes with a conservative approach - punting the ball away when there is still a chance, or running out the clock rather than trying to score even if the odds are against you - that tells me a lot about his approach to life. And it's consistent with his being a defensive specialist - reacting rather than taking the initiative. Sure, I'll root for him to succeed, to prove me wrong. Why wouldn't I, I'm a diehard Jets fan. But just because I don't think he's the right guy to lead them, doesn't mean I'm rooting for him - and by extension, the Jets - to lose. If anything I I want them to win even more, and I don't care who the coach (or GM) is. As Al Davis famously said: "Just win baby!".
I just read the conversation you two had, and I cannot believe he said this: lmao, let me sit here and listen to Sabotage by Beastie Boys. Yet, never gave Bowles credit for taking a shitty team in his debut full of over the hill players and led them to 10 wins. With Fitzpatrick!
