what is the point? Bill Parcells inherited a ton of strong pieces when he turned us around, does anyone talk about that? Rex got his players to play better than Mangini did.
The point is quite obviously that Mangini helped to build the team Rex had playoff success with. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend like you don't see it but that's the truth. Average fans can't see it. Rex also didn't take over a 1-15 team like Parcells did, he took over a 9-7 team and improved them to ... wait for it ... 9-7. That happened to be good enough to get into the playoffs in '09 when it wasn't in '08. The Colts also did us a favor that year ...
why hasn't anyone hired this personnel guru then? you don't know how involved in picking players he was, you are speculating. we had much greater than 1-15 talent and BP knew it. the bulk of that '98 roster were guys he inherited. 9-7 in 2008 w/ that weak sched and no Brady is MUCH worse than 9-7 in 2009 against a tougher sched especially factoring in 2 road playoff wins.
has that happened to us? it's his fault Idzik was planning for 2015 and beyond and never got the chance to stay that long?
He left this team with a shit load of shitty contracts, decent players, but shitty contracts. Thats why theirs only what 3 or 4 jets here from the AFC Chip days. We all know those horrible contracts that we all questioned.
no he didn't, it looked bad but easily fixed as it was under Idzik but instead of making no moves Tannenbaum would have used cap and picks to make moves. Idzik was preparing for a future that never came, Tannenbaum was a win now guy.
This will be interesting for Miami. Tanny in NY showed that he can go all in for you, but at the same time it comes at a price. It will be interesting what Miami wants Tanny to do. If it's going all in, your scouting department has to be on point as picks will be spent on veterans and you need to hit on the remaining few picks. You also will be loading up contracts so if there a couple injuries or some struggles on the team, you need at least one year to reset everything. The good thing I guess if you go all in is either your become really good or really bad. And in the NFL being mediocre is a very tough spot to be in for the FO and owner. If Tanny isn't asked to rush and just to go over everything in his own plan, will be interesting to see how he approaches it.
I agree with that i know Tanne was a win now guy, but he DID leave us with shitty contracts, it wasn't "easily" fixed.. we had to cut EVERYBODY lmao. We haven't made the playoffs since. The only perks of being a "Win Now" guy is when the time is "Now"...when it isn't then what? Not even playoffs.
Tanny is a good GM. He did some great things and some not so great things when he was here. I think he learned a lot during his time with the Jets. I can't say I am happy to see him at Dolphins but it is what it is.
He's a coach not a gm. I never claimed he was a gm but all head coaches have input into the personnel being selected. anyone acting like one guy is the one person responsible for personnel decisions is just plain wrong. Coaches are also responsible for developing the players that are selected. Rex did an outstanding coaching job in 09 and 10, I don't want to try and discredit the job he did there. But then under his watch as the head coach the team was driven into the ground. that's not all on him but he most certainly had input in the players selected and in the development of said players. Back to Tannenbaum ... lets see how he does on his second go round and with Philbin. they could be successful together.
Tanny doesnt worry me one bit but him hiring Mangini does, Mangini is a very underated HC that has never gotteb the credit he deserves here or with the Browns
Nick Saban couldn't save the Fins and he's a better team builder than Mangini. I guess I could see Mangini being successful with the Fins but it's easy to see it all blowing up in his face again too. I'm guessing it'll be Tannenbaum and Philbin. Tannehill is in Miami because of Philbin. If you ditch Philbin then that all goes up in the air again. I don't think the Fins will go that route easily. I think Tannenbaum is being brought onboard because Ross is now nervous about his current pairing and he wants Tannenbaum and Philbin to get some time in together before he promotes Tannenbaum to GM/Czar next year.
What the hell is Miami doing? If Rex doesn't get a gig this year and goes into TV, I could definitely see Philbin out at the end of the year when they miss the playoffs again and Tanny bringing Rex to Miami.
Saban was there for 2 years, that's like saying Pete Carroll sucked w/ us. I have no doubt if Saban was committed long term he'd succeed in the NFL.
My issue with anyone who gives Mangini all of this credit for his drafting acumen is why don't they ever bring up his Cleveland tenure? It's not like he was fired from here and never heard from again. He clearly had more input there, especially the first year and nobody says boo about those drafts.
