Fields, Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance (Volume 3)

Discussion in 'Draft' started by Brook!, Apr 8, 2021.

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Who would you pick at #2?

  1. Fields

    26.8%
  2. Wilson

    58.8%
  3. Other - Please Explain

    2.1%
  4. Trade Down

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  1. All pressures shpuld be considered equal...

    Thats a new one on me. Well hey snything to make Zach Wilson sound good.Hes the guy right
     
  2. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense!
     
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    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    There's no way you're actually this obtuse, right? You're completely missing the point.
     
  4. Why yes it does upset me.Am i suddenly not allowed to be upset?

    It was a mistype..but hey..the rest of your argument about comparing it to TL is pure horse shit so if i were you id cling to that too.

    just wipe that brown ring from around your nose after that second pick
     
  5. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    You're more than welcome to be upset. Not sure why I have to go fuck myself because he's going to be the next pick.
     
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  6. Its the bullshit narrative & agenda..but i guess youre too far gone to see it
     
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    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    I never said the injuries are the exact same. The point was that it is not a major injury and one MANY players deal with. It happens year after year. Hell, Jamal Adams had the same injury. I get it, he's a QB, but he played an entire year with no issues and looked amazing.

    I have said it from the beginning, I am not totally sold on Wilson but I think the "injury concerns" are horseshit.
     
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    Noam Well-Known Member

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    When we are looking at a statistic like what a QB does under pressure yes all pressures are equal. That is the whole purpose of the statistic to put things into an equal context. Unless someone can show the measurement of pressures was somehow skewed against Fields or fundamentally different then yes all pressures for the purpose of this statistic are considered equal.

    Kurt I have enjoyed your insight and posts for many years particularly your posts on line play. You seem very bitter and upset. You do not seem like you want to engage in discussion but just express anger. You took what I said out of context and I think you know that. I have no respect for Legler as I think he is a troll that just wants to annoy but I think you are better than this.
     
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    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    This is what it boils down too.

    Wilson has the live arm, elite play making ability, high football IQ and the will to win. Huge upside the ceiling is Aaron Rodgers. The other end to the argument is he’s had an injury history and hasn’t played with or against anyone. That leads to his floor of Sam Bradford.

    Fields has unbelievable athleticism, strong arm, very tough/durable and has the will to win. Huge upside the ceiling is Russell Wilson. The other side of coin is that he struggled with decision making vs well schemed Ds and that he put his body on the line too much playing hero ball. That leads to his floor being RG3.

    so, after saying all that I think it’s Wilson at the end of the day.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Hey, quit bagging on UTSA. They've only had a football program for 10 years and they only lost to BYU by 7 points. They even have 2 players in the NFL and 1 was a first round pick. They're in the big time now.
     
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    I honestly don't know how an objective observer could read the last few pages and think the Fields fans are making more compelling, objective arguments than the Wilson fans.
     
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    The thing to remember when people talk about Wilson not having played against anyone is that Steve Young, Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson, and other BYU QBs played in the NFL and did pretty darned well, and they weren't overwhelmed with the competition. Most had less talent than Wilson, Steve Young may have had more. Also, tons of players from small schools have been stars and even HOFers in the NFL. One has to look at the individual player, his traits, what his talent level is, what his strengths and weaknesses are, etc.
     
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  13. Pressures are a very subjective thing. Its hard to be all encompassing within that entire metric.Remember Darnold had the highest grade in all those PFF metrics in 18.

    And yes..im extremely furious & bitter. Im more at peace w Wilson being the pick than i am the arguments,hype & ridiculous evaluations that have been made to force feed this guy down everyone’s throats. Its all unrealistic overinflation & it will more than likely result in the exact same stigma in 3 years.Cant wait for the masses to pick another flawed QB to force feed
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Three of the bottom eight have also won Super Bowls. Your argument lacks context.
     
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    No respect; I’m hurt. College QB pressure grades are an indicator of shit. Watch games.



     
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    Zach Wilson is going to be drafted by the Jets, he has incredible talent and most have pointed it out in the NFL circles...At this point those only on pro Fields are going in circles trying to prove its only Fields or bust.

    People say Wilson lost to Coastal Carolina, nevermind overlook the effort he made of trying to bring his team to victory on the 90+ yard drive in the end. Along with the schedule being added 3 days prior to gametime and traveling on short notice.

    Josh Allen lost to Montana, he also had a pathetic schedule. Schedules these days don't mean the same with quarterback play.

    I like both qb's, but give an edge to Wilson right now over Fields. Will be at peace with both, I suggest people do the same instead of driving themselves crazy.

    Our best quarterback this century played at MARSHALL and he had Randy Moss for jump balls...that tells you all about schools
     
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    Wilson didn’t play anyone in 2020 because of COVID. In normal years BYU plays real teams like a lot of PAC 12 teams. Prior to this season against those teams he looked like a mortal. This year he looked like a cross between Mahomes and Rodgers to paraphrase our Lord and Savior Simms.
     
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    Great post Poeman
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    And are younger.
     
  20. Nobody is saying its a deal breaker but you cant just completely overlook it.There is absolutely risk. To have all those assorted injuries in places that affect a QB before even entering the league & you arent a big guy to begin with?

    Remember how Dee Milliner had all those moderate injury issues in college that we all skimmed over bc he played through it? Remember when Chad had all those surgeries & we thought hed tough through it? Drob would be well into his 30s before his knees wore down?

    Its not something to gloss over. You dont think Bradway/Tannenbaum & jets Doctors didnt feel good going into those?
     
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