I use PFF on random players I don't know about in the NFL or haven't watched much of as a starting point. When they try to do stuff on reads it is bad. I recall last year when they tried to make it out that Josh Allen was great at reading a defense (he's not). What is the definition of a progression? Are they including checkdowns? For QB rating if your guy is one read and run then you grade that as good? Don't trust me. Do your own work on it.
nice throw but he was pretty open. the 2nd guy had no play. all he had to do was go over the under guy. nice throw though but once doesn't equal someone doing it on a regular basis. he also did it from the pocket set with no pressure. not from a crazy angle while scrambling
That was a real nice play. If you get drafted top 2 rounds you will have lots of those. The issue is overall game.
I didn’t realize tight windows throws needed to be from crazy angles while scrambling. That’s my bad.
Call me crazy, but IMO, people that have spent an inordinate amount of time highlighting the point about strength of schedule as a negative against Wilson, not once even hinted that conversely, the quality of Wilson supporting cast in offense was also far, far less than the likes of OSU or Alabama. Put Wilson in Alabama behind center and he probably rewrites the record books.
It takes time to get to 100% from injury like this, even if you are cleared to play, particularly on throwing hand when you can't throw pretty much all off-season. On top of that he injured his hand stupidly tackling some guy who was already being tackled by his teammate who fell on his hand. Between his 3 years in FBS second year looks like an anomaly, and this explains why. I can make similar argument for Fields where lost the starting job twice in practice to a scrub Fromm and then got transferred. Neither guy is perfect - that's why TL is going #1. But there is a reasonable explanation why Zach struggled second year and why Fields didn't get the starting job twice in Georgia and had to transfer. He gets dinged because in combination with other factors I mentioned, including his own admission, he very rarely if at all goes past 1st/2nd read, even in the face of blitz, where in NFL you need to get rid of the ball faster. I personally don't think it is a massive issue and he can develop, but I do think it is important and Zach is ahead in this area. PFF has Fields VERY highly rated, and for a good reason: the dude is awesome. Wilson happens to be slightly ahead.
Of course by then it will be too late. But I think he'll adjust. That said, it just seems to me that Wilson is quicker. Is that because of "faster processing", or a more compact, quicker release? Both? In any case whatever Fields has to do I'm sure he will.
Fromm was a scrub? He lost the starting job when he was an incoming freshman who never took a practice snap? Fromm lost the National Championship in overtime to the best college football program of all time. And by all accounts Fields was the better player in spring camp. They let their prize possession, 2016 5 star recruit and top pro passer in the nation (who had a good freshman year) walk because of how Fromm played that year. For the record too - how many NFL player has Wilson "competed" against to be a sta This is exactly what happens when you have people draw conclusions about something they started following three months ago through YouTube videos. You guys need to watch college football if you're suddenly going to be experts when draft time rolls around. The bottom babble didn't make much sense either. You only get more time to throw versus pressure if you create it. The same is true in the NFL. You don't get more "processing" time unless you do so.
Too late? 90% of college QBs are running some form of the Spread w/ everything coming from the sidelines.
it needs to happen on a regular basis. even a broken clock is right twice a day Perfect example is sam. sam has had some of the most amazing throws i've seen as a QB. but he isn't cutting it overall. meanwhile a guy like brees never has amazing throws but he's a HOFer and SB champ. every single prospect taken in the 1st round over the past decade has a better arm and more athletic then brees, but none have matched his success really with only a couple having shots at reaching his level (mahomes, maybe herbert and burrow, maybe allen) Point is he doens't consistently make NFL throws on film. again doesn't mean he can't, just means he hasn't shown it yet which is scary for a 2nd overall pick
Tight window plays are not good enough unless they are no-look sidearm throws through a defenders legs.
Seriously? You really believe that athletes wait until they're 100% recovered before they return to action? You don't think it takes time for the body and muscle memory to return to pre-injury levels? I know you know these things are true. You're just coming across as belittling everything Wilson does. If you really were confident that Fields is better, you wouldn't need to be pissing on Wilson like you do.
I think Wilson can be good enough in the right situation but use whatever Cliche you want, coming back to earth, rude awakening... I know one of the big ones with this guy is going through 3-4 progressions every other play but that's just a sound bye for reporters, rarely do the better QBs ever get to the third progression unless they want to get killed or they have the best OL in the league at getting away with holding. People talk about Brady, one of the things about Brady is his snap to release time, I saw a Carl Lawson interview where he was talking about QBs that get rid of the ball the quickest and Brady was at an absurd 2.2 seconds at one point. How many progressions do you think he goes through? We're installing an offense that is heavy on play-action, which means all those fake handoffs eat a chunk out of that snap to release time so you only get time for 2 looks anyway.
I meant the guy who is a scrub in NFL, 5th round pick. Fields was the highest rated recruit ever according to ESPN, ahead even of TL, don't tell me he expected to sit entire first season and also lose out on the job the second season, which is why he had to transfer. There were reasons for it, and I actually understand these, but there are good reasons why Zach's second season was an anomaly compared to 1st and 3d too.
I agree. I think this focus on multiple reads is overblown. But, as you noted, it's being able to make a quick decision and get rid of the ball quickly, with Brady being the benchmark/ideal. On that note, I do think Wilson is very good at this. In watching the "hatchet job" that O'Sullivan did on him (Zack Wilson, Part 4), I think some of the things that TJ criticized as being "bad decisions", were examples of Zach making a quick decision. Now, ideally you want the quick decision to always be the right decision, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'll take quick. Be decisive and take action. Over time, he'll learn to make better decisions, but that ability to be able to be decisive is not so easy to learn, in fact it may be something you're born with. And with my now constant qualifier - I am NOT saying that Fields isn't a quick and decisive QB, but I do think Wilson is quicker.
