Yeah I mean Brooklyn is right. Teams don't live and die by trying to find a franchise quarterback or else you'd see a lot more blockbuster deals to move up in the draft to get guys and while it happens it's not a mad scramble to do so. To add to his teams - the Chiefs went to the playoffs in 3/4 years before they moved up to get Mahomes and won 9 games in the year they didn't. The Texans went to the playoffs in 4/6 years before they got Watson.
Everybody is right! Having a good team all around is more important than simply having a good QB. Tell that to Stafford or Watson! That being said not every QBs are equal it is still important to have a guy that can make all the throws. I think both side of the arguments are valid, ideally, in a perfect world, you have a great all-around team and you slot him a great QB and you have direct success. In reality many good teams have failed to find their franchise QBs and are still looking for one. The Bears, 49ers, Rams are like that as were the Jets with Sanchez during Rex tenure.
I'm not a Fields supporter. I'm a trade down and rebuild with quality supporter. At the end of the season I couldn't even have imagined how valuable this pick would become. It may be the most valuable 2nd pick the league has ever seen trade wise. I'll openly say Wilson is fools gold, not just on talent, but based on draft position, based on using one of the most valuable draft picks we've ever held. Taking him at 2 is fools gold. People have mentioned the injuries, lack of consistency, and never beating a quality team already. That alone should make him fools gold at 2. But here is what takes him over the top. He is a long ways from being ready to start in the NFL. Not being NFL ready doesn't just mean in year he will be ready. It also can mean he will never be NFL ready. Never be ready to face that level of talent. That is not how we should be using this pick. It takes a lot more then athleticism to be a quality NFL QB. In reality, he would be a reasonable pick somewhere in the teens. Using the second pick on this very high risk player is, I'm sorry but I got to say it, dumb. Its buying the hype without having the data to support it, and ignoring the flags. Its like we are trying to fail. Add to that, I don't relish the idea of wincing every time our QB runs or gets hit, wondering which play will end his season/career. It is also silly, insane, that we are rushing to get a new QB before we have done any quality building. This is a very short sighted approach. Can we ever look at this rationally? A lot of teams missed last season due to COVID. Three years ago Barrow was listed as an early 3rd rounder. After a good season and championship, he moved up to the number one pick. After one season. Two seasons ago Wilson wasn't even projected to be drafted, and in fact had to compete for the starting job because his backups outplayed him when he got hurt. After 1 good season he is the projected 2nd pick. After one very easy season. Next year there will be more teams then ever playing and more QBs rising to the top - so many careers got put on hold. There will likely be multiple Zack Wilson's to be had, many with fewer flags and coming a lot cheaper. We are rebuilding the wrong way.
I should clarify - I don't really subscribe to one mentality or the other really. The best way to build a team is to do it in a balanced fashion. What I don't subscribe to is literally hunting down a franchise quarterback if I don't think that they're there for the taking. The Giants and Bears taking Jones and Trubisky is what I'm referencing. Jaguars falling in love with Bortles as well. But the Colts post-Andrew Luck strategy is a bit symbolic of letting the QB situation work itself out rather than forcing it until they abandoned that principal and threw first round picks at Carson Wentz (even though I think he's going to have a good year).
And I agree with that sentiments. In hindsight, the Jets should not have used all the draft capital to move up and get Darnold, they should have stuck to the plan and build a decent core. I would, personaly, trade down too and continue building the team. But I do see the potential in Wilson and I think that with the current draft capital that we currently possess it is not impossible to do both (get a QB and improve the core). I still think the smartest decision are some time the most boring (trading down in this case)
What if he stays at #2 and winds up getting the long. lost FQB the Jets have been seeking for 50 years? Dumb move then? No "competent GM" would trade out of the #2 spot if they believed they could get a great QB, the most valuable position by far on any football team. You may disagree, and think there is no such QB this year, but plenty of informed people think so, and based upon his resume and experience, if Douglas thinks so, I'll side with him. As to "overhyped", I'll quote Dizzy Dean here: "It ain't bragging if you can back it up". I assume you're applying this knock to Wilson, and so far he's backed up everything that's been said about him. The only "knocks" are speculative and not backed up with facts. Yes, it's a fact he was injured, but also it's a fact that he recovered fully from them. If a labrum tear (that's been repaired) is reason to pass on him, get ready for Lawrence to be tumbling down the draft board. Wilson may not be the biggest QB to play the game, but he's far from the smallest. He's bigger than Brees or R. Wilson; he's more "stout" than Brady was coming out. And his dad is a big dude who played for Utah in college, so his genetics predict that he'll bulk up just fine. Actually his resume includes three years, and he's attempted almost double the passes that Fields has, and thrown more than 100 more than Lawrence, as well as throwing more longer passes than Lawrence who lived on short passes and screens. As far as "zero big game experience", Wilson has played in three bowl games. And while this past year was a weaker schedule, in the past he has played some top teams, including beating Tennessee in Tennessee in OT, leading them to a game tying FG by driving the length of the field with less than a minute to go. And the "terrible game" at Coastal Carolina where he took them down field from his 8 yard line with under 35 seconds and no time outs. Yeah, he just folds like a cheap lawn chair under pressure! No, Wilson doesn't have as big an arm as Mahomes or Allen, but neither of them has the arm that Ron Jaworski had. He plays in Utah which has all sorts of extreme weather, often including high winds - it's mountain weather - and he's been able to handle all of that. No one credible is questioning his arm strength. WHat NFL QBs currently have stronger arms than Mahomes and Allen? And while Fields showed a lot of guts in that Clemson game, he also wilted in two other games. That doesn't mean he sucks, but it doesn't mean he has more of a winning mentality than Wilson either. It's clear that you're biased against Wilson.
I don't know what the right answer is for the Jets this year, BUT Please stop spouting the prototypical QB size for the NFL as a reason. That BS is far from a fact. That statement alone gives you zero credibility with me. Not when you have guys like Drew Breese, Russel Wilson and Kyle Murray lighting the stage on fire at smaller sizes and with Mahomes, 1 inch taller and 10 lbs .heavier the best ever literally setting the NFL upside down. Meanwhile the unemployment line at the NFL is loaded with studs with prototypical size and arm who made it in college and failed miserably in the NFL. Not the least of which are the last 12 QBs from Ohio State since 1980 that preceded Fields into the NFL. So there is plenty of risk. Whatever the reasons for selecting or not selecting a QB, including Wilson, Fields and the rest, prototypical size has zero bearing, while durability and ability to avoid hits by the playing style has all the bearing in the world.
This has nothing to do with your post or the argument or this thread, I just feel compelled to point out that you somehow managed to spell all three of their names incorrectly. I'm going to guess cellphone.
But he doesn't have prototypical size. Russell is built like a fullback, Kylar runs a 4.3 they are unique exceptions – with stellar resumes AGAINST top talent coming out of college. This is not Wilson. Sorry you have a bias. Ask yourself is he even better than Baker Mayfield. I don't think so. Baker's arm is like a rifle, the ball flys out of his hand with immense velocity. Wilson deep balls float a bit, against NFL CBs he won't those pinpoint jump balls that easy.
Bigger than drafting Wilson, JD also knows Watson and Russell Wilson will probably available next year. That's playing a bigger factor. He needs to make the Jets feel like a destination to build a real team.
Now you lost me. He clearly put that to rest during the pro day. All his passes were lightning quick and his deep balls were legit with proper velocity.
You just want to draft Wilson, if you can’t handle an objective viewpoint stop replying to my posts. Has Wilson played top college talent? - No Has Wilson played in any top bowl games? - No Is he more talented than Watson or Mahomes coming out? - No Is he better than Baker or Kylar? Maybe Can he be better than Jones, Darnold, Trubisky - Maybe That’s Wilson. above exactly where he fits. Let me know is that a #2 draft pick worthy.
I don't care if it's Wilson, Fields or even Sewell. I am looking at the same tape as anyone. My point is that I also thought his deep ball was floating a bit on his tape and I wanted to see how it would be at the pro day and he clearly answered all the question regarding his arm strength. It is good enough, with great velocity either in the pocket or when moving. I can understand all your points but not the arm strength, that he clearly answered it. To be frank I would rather trade down at this point knowing the value we could collect for the pick but even then I would not be sad if Zach or Fields is the selection.
At the risk of being accused of adding to the hype: New York Jets Fans: Here Are 3 Mythbusters About Zach Wilson - Jets Rewind
Mahomes is not taller than Zach, their height is identical: https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=22408
Zach is 6'2" & 215lbs. Trevor is 6'5" & 208lbs & no one has said anything bad about his size. I don't have a problem with Zach's measurables. I'm sure he'll put on another 5 to 10 lbs of muscle.
