Fields, Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance (Volume 2)

Discussion in 'Draft' started by boozer32, Mar 1, 2021.

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What do you pick?

  1. Fields

    15.8%
  2. Wilson

    50.0%
  3. Darnold

    17.5%
  4. Other - Explain

    7.0%
  5. Watson - Up to 3 1st's.

    9.6%
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  1. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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  2. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    I don't think this was his best performance, so not surprised he wasn't happy with it, but this showing for me really does not change anything. I knew he had a decent arm, which he showcased a couple of times, though a bit behind other top 5 QBs. Not as accurate as usual perhaps, but a decent workout overall. Not too much to make of it other than what we already knew. I am thinking he goes top 10, and hoping before #15 :)
     
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    He's QB1 because that's what all the "experts" have been saying for three years, so if the Jags (or the Jets) passed on him the risk of being crucified is really high, and the pressure on whomever they did take would be huge. If I were a GM, it would make me think long and hard, but I hope I would have the belief in my own ability to assess that I took Wilson over Lawrence.
     
  4. Lon Chaney

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    With Wilson it's more about how fast the ball comes out of his hands. It's lightning quick. He also has plus accuracy, plus arm strength, plus mobility. He needs to work on his anticipation.

    Most of these top qbs had time to throw. They all played for the best programs in the country.
     
  5. IMO hes different than those other guys for a few reasons..

    1. Lines up & wins match ups literally at every spot on boundary,In line & as an H.Those others were either pure “F”,in line or a notch less versatile than Pitts

    2. Extremely effective situationally. Again routinely wins his match up & finds a way to move the chains or get in the EZ. Dont see that type of football IQ from a TE hybrid very often

    3.Just a baby physically.Perhaps same could be said for Engram & Eron but neither had the versatility or football IQ/instincts
    Pitts displays.So hes already got this great profile & skillset yet STILL is getting bigger & stronger. Dont see that very often & even more rarely at TE

    The concussions are a serious concern however.Should that check out.. there isnt a single prospect i want more in this entire class
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Huh? Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers went to power 5 schools.

    There's a reason that very few quarterbacks come from G5 schools and when they do, they're physical specimens like Allen and Roethlisberger are with a singular or more elite traits.

    Josh Allen, Roethlisberger, Derek Carr and Garroppolo are the only opening day starters from last year that went to G5 schools. It's not impossible but the odds are certainly against them.
     
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    Double post.
     
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    Wow he basically had a moat around him.. no pressure at all
     
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    What really impresses me about this video was how quickly Wilson makes decisions and gets the ball out. I was watching some tape of Sam before watching this and the difference in decision making and getting the ball out is such a contrast. The protection was not very good for Wilson but his ability to make quick decisions, get the ball out fast and slide away from pressure made it look like there was good protection.

    What also impresses me is Wilson's ability to sense the rush slide a few steps while keeping his eyes down field.
     
  10. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Is Fields your guy?
     
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    Yes, “in this class” & at 2.
     
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  12. Pass pro doesnt get much better than that ESPECIALLY in the NFL.

    Sam’s pass pro in college was downright pitiful.Not really a fair comp.

    Even concerns about ZW somehow turn into more hype
     
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    I get people's concerns about Wilson, or any other one in this years draft, but some go out of their way to prove a point. It's clear to me that people that don't want or believe in Zach Wilson can come up with a ton of reasons as to why. Inferior competition, not enough playing time, the list goes on and on. But to say he had a wall for protection in college, which I find an exaggeration, also ignoring that it was always the same scheme, fire long, and then double down and say Sam had piss poor pass protection in college so the comparison is not valid is a bit rich. Sam in college needed plenty of time to read the field and throw the ball, and most of his success was on broken plays.
    Right or wrong, the fundamental fact that every one seems to downplay is that Wilson can process information and release an accurate ball much, much faster than Sam could ever do. That is paramount in the NFL. My biggest issue with Sam is he has never been able to read the field fast enough to make the right move quickly enough to give the receiver a chance. Apparently people that were NFL QBs see a lot more talent in Wilson than the fans here do.
     
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    If this is what happens, I pray to the football gods that you are completely wrong about Wilson. :D
     
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    :cool:In other words, we pray that Ledger, who we traditionally trust on QB assessment, this year is wrong with both Wilson and Fields. JD you are on the clock. :D
     
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    Cheers, I know you called it right last time, so was just trying to square all the Wilson's and Fields v the rest into a box.

    For what it is worth I am unsure about all of them and if we could trade back and take Lance as low as possible and sit him behind a vet for a season I would be happy enough with that.

    But I mainly just don't want us to fuck it up this time, trade back and fill with talent and grab a QB next year, Pitts is extremely tempting as well tbh.
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree. IMO these are perhaps the most important aspect a QB can have along with a strong, accurate arm. Again imo, Wilson is head and shoulders above the rest of the QBs in this draft and in most drafts in this regard. Jones makes good, quick decisions, but he doesn't have Wilson's ability to slide around the pocket and the ball doesn't come out of his hand as quickly as it does Wilson's. IMO passing on Wilson will be a big mistake, and possibly a career-ending mistake for JD if he makes it.
     
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    This is the big separator between Wilson and all the other QBs coming out, including Lawrence. Wilson just seems to be playing a couple of steps ahead of everyone else on the field, very much like Mahomes. Of course there's always the question: can it translate to the NFL? But that question is raised for every QB, and we can't know until he plays on Sunday. But his ability to read and process is elite, matched (and possibly even slightly exceeded) by Mac Jones, which is why Jones is my second choice if there's a trade back that happens.

    If people want to see a better example of Wilson's ability to process and make plays, watch the Coastal Carolina tape. He was under the most pressure he faced all season and still played well and made plays. He was NOT the reason they lost that game. Give back the first TD that was called back on a questionable holding flag, and give a PI call on the Hail Mary at the half where one receiver was literally dragged into the EZ with the ball in the air, and they win that game.

    Wilson's game is tailor-made for the SF-style offense we expect to run. I think this is why the rumors of him going to the Jets are starting to ramp up.
     
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