Believing one of them will be better than Sam is more rooted in how bad Sam has been over how much any of us believe in one of the QB prospects. It's hard to be worse than worst starter in the league.
Definitely needs to sit for a year. I still like his upside, but he cannot be thrown into the fire right away if he is to succeed.
I am thinking this, will he drop to #23 bit doubtful at that tbh. How far do we trade back to make it worth it and still be able to pick up Lance do you think?
Give him 4 weeks & w the right gameplan/running game you can still manufacture wins w him very well. Hes efficient w the football,he can throw a few different routes at an elite level,he’ll make plays w his legs & is at his best in the RZ. In other words he’ll execute a conservative gameplan,will make enough plays on his own to offset & will put up enough points if he gets team into the redzone.
Not sure on this. I would love to get him at 23. But with the way present nfl works its doubtful. I think the Watson situation will also tie into it. I would think with the fact most qbs are taken way earlier than they used to be we would have to stay in the top 15.
Was JL's pro day in February? That is what came up when I looked earlier, thought it might have been today or this week at the latest.
We could easily draft him, sign someone like Alex Smith to mentor/start on the cheap. Trade Sam for more draft capital. And get a wr and some o line help.
herein lies a lesson on the risk of QB drafting Sam will have cost us a #6 and 2+ seconds (saying 2+ because the 3 seconds we dealt were higher than a second we'd get from 49ers) So much for "Suck for Sam" If you nail that high pick then it's awesome but....
That’d be the preference at this stage before seeing the other QB pro days. That said i dont think hes a slam dunk. I dont think any of these QBs are. I wanted to see more energy from his at his pro day. First time performming since Sept.Small school guy trying to make his mark.He was tentative & didnt like his demeanor after he missed some throws/WRs stopped running their routes.
Yeah, he is my preference currently unless a Watson trade happens. Even then I don't want to over spend on any player. I would be just as happy seeing JD trade back and just build an offense for a future pick. As I have mentioned before if we trade out of 2 we can end up with 3 1st round next year which is enough to move anywhere we want if we pass on qbs this year. My hope is we see a true wr1 and some more oline upgrades. We really need to build this offense like KC did before getting Mahomes, put whoever we get in the best position to succeed
Guys, its not my choice to not pick a QB this draft. It is a formula that has been shown to be successful to rebuild shattered teams like us. I happen to agree with the formula and think we will stick to it. The only way we take a QB this draft is if there is a cant miss guy. Otherwise the #2 pick is too valuable to squander. The #2 pick is worth at least a guaranteed all pro at other positions. This is the history of top 2 non QB picks in the NFL. You will get a game changing player coming in as a rookie. A true home grown star. or The pick can be traded for considerable value, anywhere from a high 2nd in the top 5, to multiple #1's to a mid round team. It is a prime team building position to trade out of. Either of these things would really, and I mean realllly, help the Jets. Forget the "QB is the most important position" bullcrap for a moment. Great teams win superbowls, not great QBs. This is why the modern rebuild has focused on building a great team before targeting a FQB. This way the QB is set up to have success as they develop. This is why we have to be patient and build a solid team first. Saying we have "all this draft capital" so we can draft a FQB right now is misguided. We don't have a solid team yet. Picks, especially low rounders, dont mean we have a guaranteed solid team. It only means we are going to try. The only guaranteed hit is the #2 pick, followed by our other first rounders. We cant assume we will already have a great team before we actually do. If we use our best rebuild piece on a QB and then scramble to rebuild with the other picks we are doing it incorrectly. We'd be taking a much bigger chance then passing over these QBs. Its amateur and risky to stray from the formula. People saying that we never have the second pick, and its our one big chance to get a QB are way off. Firstly, we never have the #2, but we have the #3 a lot. We have top 10 a lot too. The #2 is not the #1. Its not Jow Barrow or Trevor Lawrence. But it could be Mitchell Trabisky. What the #2 is for us is a great tool to rebuild our greatly lacking roster. That is the real value of the #2 (see above). Lets look at where the great QBs were drafted over the last 5 years: Joe Barrow - 1 Kyler Murry - 1 Josh Allen - 7 Lamar Jackson - 32 Patrick Mahomes - 10 Deshaun Watson - 12 Dak Prescott - 135 These are all the top QBs drafted over the last 5 years. Notice anything about #2? Its value is not drafting a QB. We can find and land a FQB without a top 5 pick. Other then having the first pick, all the top QBs have been taken out of the top 5. Probowlers, MVPs, studs. We don't need to act like the #2 pick, or even this draft, is our one big chance. Its our one big chance to properly rebuild. We are led to believe that we are not run by amateurs anymore. So lets be patient and do it right. I realize its much funner to talk QBs on the message board but in the reality of our situation its not where we are in our rebuild. I believe in the formula and I can be patient enough to execute it. There will still be plenty to be excited about this season, even with Darnold or some other placeholder. We should get some real studs and it will be fun to watch their impact.
I care more about upgrading offensive skill/OL than i do about any QB in this draft.It almost doesnt matter who they pick behind center unless they make substantial upgrades. To an extent taking a QB at 2 just means one or multiple less spot(s) getting addressed on rest of O; Esp w a schematic change on defense coming as well.
This is exactly how I feel. Getting a qb just repeats putting same in a bad place to succeed. I would prefer a trade back getting more picks and filling more holes. We need at least 2-3 more oline and a real wr1. This offense has been horrendous to long, picking a qb won't change it. The reason Mahomes succeeded immediately was he had and offense. The reason Watson looked good his first 2 years was Hopkins. The reason Murray looked amazing was his surrounding cast. And qb going into crap just becomes another David Carr. We have proof of that on our roster already, let's not repeat it. Build an offense.
That depends on how you look at it. I look at a kid who was drafted to a team with little talent on it that "tanked" a season to get him. In addition, very little was done in the ensuing two years to improve that talent. Despite that, when the team was able to muster enough strength to play with a full roster, he was able to win games. That is a QB I'd rather build with than tear it all down and start over again with an unproven rookie.
I get that the Jets didn't do Darnold any favors but they're 13-25 in games he started, along with him having the worst stats of any QB over that time. Injuries here and there really don't affect wins and losses that much. Losing anyone other than your starting QB affects the point spread by about a single point max, and usually it doesn't affect the spread at all. The rookies are unproven but Darnold is proven to be bad.
I am just SO torn on these QBs very little faith in Fields as I fear he is just the latest in a long line of Ohio State QBs who are not groomed for the NFL...I think he has a huge bust potential little faith in Wilson due to small school, small sample size, small body size, some character questions (maybe valid, maybe not but oftentimes where there’s smoke there’s fire) I get we have the two overall, but these two guys come with A LOT of questions. Would almost rather trade back and take Lance or Jones and let them compete with Sam if we don’t trade him, or compete with an Alex Smith type if we do. Of the two, I’d probably draft Wilson ahead of Fields but I’m not super confident in that choice
You keep saying Wilson has only one year, but that isn't true. He played his freshman year, and part of his sophomore year plus all last year.
