favre in MVP talks?

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  1. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I don't think Favre can be considered in MVP talk as much as I love what he has done for the Jets so far this year. Warner has been much more an MVP and if they ever did give it to a defensive player it would have to be Haynesworth or Jenkins.
     
  2. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Favre is without a question the MVP of this team. Eli Manning right now is the MVP of this league.
     
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    Without question?

    What would worry you more.

    Losing Farve for the season of losing Jenkins for the season?
     
  4. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Favre and its not even close.
     
  5. kevmvp

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    All I know is if Chad Penningtons name gets mentioned as an MVP candidate (mainly by Dolphin fans but whatever) then Brett Favre certainly should be mentioned as well.
     
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    Not even close? Take either player away from the team, and their side of the football immediately crumbles. Teams would run all over the Jets if it wasn't for Jenkins. He alone is the foundation for that group.
     
  7. DCanadian

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    Jenkins and Warner deserve to be in the discussion for MVP.
    But the MVP is Peyton Manning. No doubt about it.
     
  8. NYJets4EverOnTop

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    I think both are deserving but this statement just makes no sense to me. Jenkins has been a huge addition but Favre has been equally as important. Our defense is better but we still give up 21 points a game. Without Favre our O isn't tops in the AFC.
     
  9. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The Jets have a very big front, linebackers who can play on the line. Unlike in years past, I think we could lose a player on the front and still compete. Would we be as good as a pure 3/4 team no but I think we could line up 7 very good players on the LOS without Jenkins. Take Favre out of the equation and our O would be a dissaster.
     
  10. packerbacker1234

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    1. How often to Defensive players even win the Heisman? Charles Woodson was the last one to accomplish that feat.

    2. Kris Jenkins is the MVP of the Defense. To say he is the most valuable person when comparing to the MVP of the Offense, Favre, is a tough call. Why? Favre's attitude effects everyone on the roster. While Kris Jenkins presence has been amazingly huge, none of it matters if hte offense can't score.

    And, the offense can score. Otherwise, this wold be a .500 club with a NT that is also heading to the end of his career in a couple seasons.
     
  11. nyjunc

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    The problem is up until a few weeks ago we were winning in spite of Favre. he has only been playing ata high level for a 3-4 weeks now. jenkins has been playing at that level all year and he and the D kept us afloat as favre and his O adjusted to each other.
     
  12. CMart28

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    It is true that defensive players dont win the MVP but Kris Jenkins and Albert Haynesworth have been on everyones MVP radar. And after yesterday Jenkins broke away from Haynesworth. Its impossible to ignore his domination this year.
     
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    He's looking good right now, but based on what's transpired so far, I don't see it. Maybe if he keeps things up to this level the next 5 weeks.

    And here we have the other end of the senthusiasm pectrum, from ... oh, what a surprise who. Oh yeah, that's right. Green Bay was winning for 16 years in spite of Favre. Boy does that guy suck.
     
  14. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    We are 8 & 3 the only game the D kept us afloat in where Favre played poorly and won was the Miami game. The Favre TD to Stuckey while lucky bailed us out when we didn't have a kicker so Favre was instrumental in us winning that game. The D has not kept us in games where Favre played badly we lost those games. The D didn't win the SD game or the Oakland game and they certainly weren't better than Favre against the Cardinals, Bills, Pats and TN.

    Favre with all his problems has been the best player on our team during the stretch when we needed him. Deal with it.
     
  15. Traveling

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    My problem with the MVP race is IMHO there isn't a clear leader at this point. Warner? He has racked up some nice stats, but they have been against weaker opponents. Go back and take a look at some of his numbers against quality teams. Eli? Another case like Favre where it seems to be a team effort rather than one individual. Manning? Really? He has played well, but that team has been squeaking by in its victories. Watching the games I just haven't come away that impressed.

    As far as a defensive player, the reason why it is so rare for them to win it is they aren't mentioned enough. They aren't heard about for nearly every play the way the QB or RB is and that is the problem.

    While I am thinking about it, a case could be made for Favre as well due to the fact of him having to come to another team and learn a new system. It took a while for all of them to get on the same page, but things have been coming together nicely.

    Still, in the end, there isn't a clear MVP leader right now, IMO.
     
  16. uberchink

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    Brady didn't single handedly will his offense to greatness either. He had a much better supporting cast than Favre has now but he still got MVP, and he still deserved it.

    And you're acting like those 5 to 10 yard quick passes are something any "game managing QB" could do. Brady often took up to 5 seconds to make passes last year. I don't think he could even do what Favre is doing now as effectively. Favre is a legend at the West Coast style offense.
     
  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The D won us game 1, it won us the Cincy game, it created a million TOs for the O against Ari, it kept us in the 1st NE game, the oak game and Buf game.

    GB has nothing to do w/ now. WE don't care about GB, we are REAL Jet fans. We don't just follow players. We have lived and mostly died w/ this team for generations. So stop w/ your nonsense.
     
  18. uberchink

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    During the first 6 games we were 1-4 maybe 2-3 when Favre played poorly and 2-0 when he played good. After that, Favre seemed to get progressively better and the team went 4-0. This team wins and loses based on Favre's performance for the most part. Obviously Jenkins is very important but we've only won ONE game where Favre didn't play good so you can't say Jenkins won in spite of him.
     
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    Brett threw 2 TD's in game 1. He threw SIX against Ari. Had a great game against NE and a solid game against Buff. But I love how the credit goes to the Defense for all those wins.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    He threw 2 Tds in game 1 but fumbled deep in Miami territory and couldn't get a 1st down to seal that game. The D had a GL stand then ahd to hold off Miami on the final drive, it nevere should have been that close.

    He was great against Ari but the D deserves credit for forcing all those TOs.

    He was great against NE, that was an offensive win.

    He was good enough against Buf, he did let them have life in the 4th w/ that terrible INT.

    He's been excellent the past 3-4 weeks but let's not pretend he's played like that all year. he needed time to adjust as all the new guys did and the returning Jets needed time to adjust to the new guys. I don't blame him for early season struggles but that doesn't mean he gets credit for playing well when he clearly wasn't.
     

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