FA & Potential Roster Moves

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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    If this is true and they badly misjudged the market then this is a huge strike against Douglas. Conklin or Glasgow both would've been good signings. Same thing with Robby Anderson.
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    And then dismissed from the conversation when his injury record is mentioned.
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Deep heat rubbing stations might be more use.

    I hope you have deep heat in the US or it will mean fuck all lol
     
  4. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Samuel for me
     
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    "Deep Heat Rubbing Station" is the name of Kellen Winslow. Jr's new prison cell.
     
  6. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I think we will have one in Mims.
     
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    I disagree. A guy like that that can't stay healthy is useless. Look at what happened last season when we had no healthy WRs. He will get Tier 1 money, but produce at a Tier 2 or 3 level because he will never be available for 16 games. No thanks. I'd rather have Samuel, Davis, Pringle of KC or a less-talented WR in FA that roll the dice on him.
     
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    We don't know for certain about Mims, but he showed plenty last season. His numbers would have been a lot better if Flacco had been the starter rather than Sam. Sam hardly ever looked for Mims.

    We can't count on Herndon any more. We need a threat at TE as well as WR. Davis and Smith or Samuel and Smith is much better than Davis and Samuel imo.
     
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    No, he didn't. I totally disagree. I trust Douglas' judgment more than yours or mine in this case. He determined that both Conklin and Glasgow are Tier 2 players but were going to get Tier 1 money. He was smart and fiscally responsible not to sign them. The same thing goes for Robby Anderson. Tier 2 player, Tier 1 money.
     
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    He was right on his assessment. They were tier B wanting tier 1 money. He did not misjudged it.
     
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    Glasgow maybe. Conklin was an All-Pro this past year for the leagues best running game. He's the 11th paid tackle in the league, 3rd right tackle. He was worth the money. 26 years old and only took a three year deal. How in the world is he a tier 2 player?

    Anderson signed a short-term deal with an easy out after year one for $20 million total. He was 15th in the league in receiving and he's the 26th paid receiver with zero long term commitment.
     
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    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    You're saying that he was All Pro AFTER FA. Douglas doesn't have a crystal ball. Ever think that maybe Conklin was All Pro in that offense but wouldn't have been in our offense with a different blocking scheme and different players around him? Conklin is a better run blocker than pass blocker I believe. The Jets need someone who is a better pass blocker than run blocker if anything. I'm pretty sure that Douglas knows what he's doing and knows how to assess what tier players are.

    JD has admitted that he made a mistake with Anderson. He didn't think that he would sign that cheaply. Gase didn't like Anderson, and it would have been pointless for Douglas to sign a WR that Gase didn't want.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    No he was an All-Pro a couple years before he was a free agent and the best run blocker on the leagues best running game the prior year too. He allowed two sacks this past year. We had one of the leagues worse running games. Yeah we could've desperately used him.

    Where does the bold come from? Do you work with him or something?

    Yeah he admitted he made a mistake on Anderson. He also made a mistake on Conklin. So as I said, he badly misjudged the market if the synopsis from Connor Hughes is correct.
     
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    Actually, it was pointless to do what Gase wanted.
     
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    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how that got bolded. I must have hit a wrong key or something and didn't notice that it had bolded. There's no reason I would have bolded that last part.

    That's your opinion. I stand by mine. You are much more negative and cynical than I am.
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    You wanna be careful where you rub deep heat :eek:
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Vilma bolded it to highlight the part he was talking to you about :p

    Like I just did ;)
     
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    https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/03/10/new-york-jets-free-agent-profile-tennessee-titans-te-jonnu-smith/

    New York Jets free agent profile: Tennessee Titans TE Jonnu Smith
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    Michael Nania
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    03/10/2021




    Positives
    After-the-catch ability
    Standing at six-foot-three and 248 pounds while running a 4.62 forty (83rd percentile at TE) and posting a 38-inch vertical jump (93rd percentile) in addition to a 127-inch broad jump (95th percentile), Smith is the complete package as an athlete and has used those tools to become a great after-the-catch producer.

    Smith averaged 5.8 yards after catch per reception in 2020 (via Pro Football Focus), ranking fifth-best among the 34 tight ends with at least 40 targets. That mark wasn’t even the norm for Smith – his career average is almost a full yard higher at 6.7. Smith ranked second among qualifiers at the position with 8.1 yards after catch per reception in 2019.

    Most impressively, Smith’s after-the-catch production is not merely a product of being placed in favorable situations. He creates more than what is presented to him. According to NFL Next Gen Stats, Smith averaged 1.4 more yards after catch versus expectation in 2020, third-best among tight ends behind only Tyler Higbee and George Kittle. In 2019, he led tight ends with a whopping +3.8 yards after catch per reception versus expectation.

    Hands
    Over the past two seasons, Smith recorded 76 receptions while dropping only three passes, giving him an excellent drop rate of 3.8%. The 2020 average for tight ends was 6.2%.

    Red zone
    Smith tied for fifth in the NFL with eight touchdown receptions in the red zone, which also ranked second among tight ends (Travis Kelce led with 10). He was hyper-efficient, pulling in those eight scores across 18 red zone targets, a 44.4% rate that squashes the 2020 league average of 27.1%. For his career, Smith has scored on 12 of his 32 red zone targets, a 37.5% rate.

    Contested catches
    Throughout his career, Smith has hauled in 20 of 40 “contested” targets, as tracked by PFF. That 50.0% rate slightly edges the 2020 average for tight ends (48.2%). He’s been trusted to make those catches at a high frequency: 23.7% of Smith’s career targets have been considered contested, much higher than the 2020 positional average of 18.4%. In 2020, 29.2% of Smith’s targets were contested, the third-highest rate among qualified tight ends (trailing Tyler Eifert and Mike Gesicki).

    Overall per-play efficiency
    Smith’s production on a per-play basis suggests he is poised to become a star if given more opportunities.

    In 2020, Smith ranked 25th among tight ends in routes run (300) but 20th in receiving yards (448), placing at the position’s 76th percentile in yards per route run (1.49). In 2019, Smith ranked 19th in receiving yards (439) despite running the 33rd-most routes (240), ranking at the 89th percentile with 1.83 yards per route run.

    From 2018-20, Smith averaged 8.2 yards per target, ninth-best among the 38 tight ends with at least 100 targets over that span. He placed sixth among the group with 14 touchdowns despite landing at 26th with 139 targets, leading the pack with a touchdown on 10.1% of his targets.

    Age and durability
    Smith will turn 26 years old in August. He is the youngest impending free agent tight end among the 28 who played at least 200 snaps last year.

    Throughout his career, Smith has played in 66 out of 70 (94.3%) possible regular season and playoff games for the Titans. He missed one game with a knee injury in 2020 and did not miss any games in 2019 or 2017. In 2018, Smith was placed on injured reserve for the final three weeks of the season due to another knee injury.
     
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    Negatives
    Pass protection
    Smith has given up 25 pressures over 247 career snaps in pass protection, a rate of 10.1% that is well above the 2020 positional average (6.9%). He gave up six pressures over 53 protection snaps in 2020 (11.3% rate).

    Interestingly enough, the Titans still used Smith as a pass blocker relatively frequently despite his struggles in that area. Smith stayed in to pass block on 13.9% of his passing game snaps in 2020, ranking eighth-highest out of the 34 tight ends with 40+ targets. In 2019, Smith ranked second as he pass-blocked on 21.6% of his passing game snaps.

    Smith’s new team would be wise to decrease his playing time as a pass protector and focus on getting him as many pass-catching reps as possible.

    Run blocking
    Smith participated in a run-heavy Titans offense that thrived at running the ball outside behind Derrick Henry, but his individual run blocking grades at PFF have never been very good:
    • 2020: 61.4 run blocking grade (49th percentile among TEs with 100+ blocking snaps)
    • 2019: 52.4 run blocking grade (36th percentile)
    • 2018: 56.8 run blocking grade (35th percentile)
    • 2017: 57.0 run blocking grade (30th percentile)
    Playoff struggles
    Over six career playoff games, Smith has caught just 11 of 17 targets for only 87 yards and one touchdown, averaging a measly 14.5 yards per game on 5.1 yards per target. In the 2020 Wild Card loss to Baltimore, Smith caught 2-of-3 targets for 9 yards and no first downs.

    Lack of high-end production
    While Smith’s per-play efficiency suggests he should have a good chance of becoming a top 5-10 tight end with more opportunities, that’s all just projection. We haven’t seen him do that yet.

    Smith has ranked no higher than 19th among tight ends in receiving yards in a given season. His unremarkable numbers of 448 yards and 29.9 yards per game in 2020 were career-highs. He has not had a 100-yard game in his career and has only had nine games in which he was targeted 6+ times.

    This isn’t a major problem – Smith simply has not gotten the chance to be a fantasy football legend in Tennessee’s run-first offense that also favors the wide receivers in the passing game – but it is worth noting that Smith’s new team will be paying the big bucks in hopes that he can extrapolate his efficiency without anything to go off of that guarantees he is capable of doing so.

    Contract estimate
    Spotrac projects Smith’s market value at about $8 million per year. That would tie Smith with Jimmy Graham for the seventh-highest average annual value among tight ends.

    If teams truly believe in Smith’s potential, he certainly could hit that mark, but at first glance, $8 million per year does seem a bit high for a player who has never averaged 30 yards per game. Last year, Austin Hooper of the Falcons earned $10.5 million per year from the Browns (4 years, $42M, $23M guaranteed) after a season in which he averaged 60.5 yards per game, more than double Smith’s career-best. A mere $2.5 million drop-off for less than half of the yardage production seems a little far-fetched.

    Further adding to the idea that $8 million may be too high for Smith, the Rams’ Tyler Higbee signed a four-year extension prior to the 2020 season worth $29 million ($7.3 per year) with $15.5 million guaranteed after averaging 48.9 yards per game in 2019, including a run of five straight games with 84+ yards to close the season. Smith has never surpassed 84 yards in a game. With that in mind, it would be odd for him to fetch a more lucrative deal than Higbee.

    Smith is going to be 26 years old this season and just averaged 29.9 yards per game. There were a couple of comparable players on the market in 2019. Pittsburgh’s Jesse James signed with the Lions for $5.7 million per year (4 years, $22.6M, $10.5M guaranteed) after averaging 26.4 yards per game as he was heading into his age-25 season. Cincinnati’s C.J. Uzomah re-signed with the Bengals for $6.1 million per year (3 years, $18.3M, $6.3M guaranteed) after averaging 27.4 yards per game as he was heading into his age-26 season.

    Perhaps those players serve as better comparisons for Smith. However, it has to be taken into account that Smith probably does offer more upside than James and Uzomah did. Smith scored eight touchdowns in his contract year while James had scored two and Uzomah had scored three in their contract years. He is also a far better YAC producer and far more efficient on a per-play basis than both players.

    Complicating the comparisons even more, back in 2019, Cincinnati’s Tyler Kroft signed a three-year, $18.8 million deal ($6.3M per year, $9.1M total guarantees) with the Bills after playing only five games and averaging 7.2 yards in them. His career-high was 25.3 yards per game and his career average was 13.0. How the heck did he get that deal?

    Projecting Smith’s value is tough. He’s certainly a more valuable player than guys like James, Kroft, and Uzomah, who landed in the $6 million range, but he has not been nearly as productive as guys like Higbee and Hooper who landed in the $7-10 million range. The recent history of tight end contracts is loaded with players who were both overpaid and underpaid, so fielding a reliable comparison is tough.

    At the least, it seems like a guarantee that Smith will fetch around $6 million per year. How much higher he goes will depend on how many teams have interest and how certain they feel about his odds of extrapolating his efficiency at a higher volume of opportunities.

    Projecting Jets’ pursuit
    Considering the importance of the tight end in San Francisco’s offense during Mike LaFleur’s tenure there, it seems like a fair bet that the Jets will place a premium on the position going forward, but it’s anybody’s guess as to what changes LaFleur will make compared to his background when crafting his own philosophy. Maybe the tight ends will still be key, maybe they won’t. Time will tell.

    The Jets have Chris Herndon under contract, but they’re mighty thin on receiving talent beyond him with only Ryan Griffin and Trevon Wesco (who combined for 91 yards in 2020) under contract.

    Herndon certainly has some intriguing upside based on his standout 2018 rookie season, but after a disastrous 2020 campaign (even considering his short-but-improved finish), he cannot be considered an answer at the position. If the Jets do want to feature their tight ends heavily in the passing game, they will need to make a big addition to the group. Smith is a great fit. His after-the-catch ability should shine in an offense that thrives upon putting play-makers in favorable positions to make magic happen with the ball in space – just look at what the 49ers did with George Kittle.

    Whether or not the Jets chase Smith will all come down to how much LaFleur plans on valuing the tight end spot. If it’s a back-burner priority for him, it wouldn’t be wise to allocate significant cap space on the position. However, if LaFleur does want a tight end who can be among the team’s most relied-upon targets, Smith is a fantastic option who has a good chance of being worth a hefty deal thanks to his efficiency and shoo-in fit in the offense.
     
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