Excuses! - Lets hear them!!

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  1. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Bowles was right there. Play soft and give up Amy yardage and Miami kicks a fg and makes it a 2 possession game. He sold out for the stop and a better chance at tying the game. I don’t hate it. Adams has to be there on that play.
    Bottom line is the offense left a conservative 9 points on the field. We lost by 8
     
  2. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    It’s amazing how one sentence says so much. We hear Bill Bellicheat say....”just do YOUR job”!

    I would not have blitzed only becaue Jets were getting to RT without too much blitzing but if Adams simply does his job and stays with Gore Jets have a chance. Not saying they would have pulled out the win but they still get one last shot.
     
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    FJAY there are a lot of guys on this board that like to throw stats around maybe one of those fellas can go look up how often in that same exact situation any other coach or team does what we did ( blitz ) in that situation and are successful ? I bet it aint many. I bet that playing a zone right there is much more successful. It is easy to play results and second guess here on a message board we can be wrong about things but Bowels and company get paid to get it right .Why on earth do you leave that guy on an island in that situation when its so unnecessary and all you need is a stop ? The Dolphins can even ( heres a word everyone loves to throw around----> "execute" ) a successful play that gains positive yards but we still would get the ball back and are in the game.
     
  4. legler82

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    You blitz in the hopes of forcing the QB to get the ball out quick. Unfortunately no one got home. Haven’t heard Adams’ side of the story yet but I would venture to guess that he was reading his keys. If the RB stats in to block, rush in else drop. Problem is because we were unable to get to Tannehill, Gore was able to slow play it. As soon as Adams blitz, he leaked out. I have less issues with the play call and Adams than I do the overall defensive philosophy of having your strong safety in the box seemingly in all situations. If Adams can’t be in coverage on a 3rd and 19, then when will he ever be? Might as well change his jersey number and make him a linebacker. He already fills in his run fits better than Lee.
     
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    You don't think Adams makes that play 9 out of 10 times? That's very uncharacteristic of Adams. Even so, it shouldn't be all on him, sure the CS could have played it conservatively, but they should have communicated on that play. If that situation ever arises again, I think Adams OR Lee make the stop. I understand WHY the decision was made ... considering the punter was ruining our field position. Push em back as far as possible. Jets almost had the sack too, it was just bad awareness. on those 2.
     
  6. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Why wouldn’t you leave Adams on 35 y.o. Frank Gore. I’ll take that matchup every play. That’s an easy cover for Adams. And like I said, they couldn’t play a soft zone and give an easy pitch and catch. Too many yards and it’s a 2 possession game. I have no problem with that call, I have no problem with that matchup. The reasons they lost all preclude that single play and are the reason he had to dial that one up in the first place.
     
  7. CBG

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    Im not saying that play was "the only reason "we lost but that one play was game set match . The reason I don't want anyone in a 1 on 1 situation at that point IMO was just not necessary and as we saw it can go wrong for the good guys even with old man Gore being the focal point. Fjay you and others don't have a problem with the call ,,I do. Im curious to see what happens if we are in that situation again at what Bowels does next time , in retrospect would you or any others rather they play zone or would you dial it up again ? I prefer to learn from our mistakes.
     
  8. FJF

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    Let’s hope Adams did
     
  9. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    I didn't mean it literally.

    Bad joke, went over poorly. It happens.

    That said, Gee Barkum and Rich Caster would like a word.
     
  10. Jetsfansince95

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    never heard of these guys I'm not that old so I guess I meant in all my years of watching :)
     
  11. Jetsfansince95

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    not that it was meant literally you get the point
     
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    not quite how it works. In man coverage as a safety or LBer on a TE/RB your job is to cover them. if they stay in to block your job is to rush the passer
     
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    i wanted to see darnold pull off a comeback personally but he was never given the chance
     
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    Adams comes across as a smart kid Im sure he did, and the next time Bowels or Rodgers dials that up I would like to think Adams says " hey coach we tried that last time and it didn't work " lol
     
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    It was close--it really would have been fun if he had gotten that chance.
     
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    Anything goes wrong, let's blame Bowles lol

    Blitzing in that situation was 100% right. And it almost worked also if it wasn't for a blown coverage. Miami had just been pushed out of field goal range. We were playing to not just stop them from a first down but stop them from gaining enough yardage to kick a field goal. We could not afford to give any yardage. With their hurting offensive line, sending the house was a smart move. Blaming Bowles for that is just reaching for shit
     
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    He was but he threw the pick in the end zone in the 3rd quarter with 11 minutes to go.

    I have no problems with Darnolds mistakes, he’s a 2 game rookie. I do however have a problem with Bates having him pass 41 times.

    I thought this was going to be a Mike Shannahan type offense where the run was going to be used to protect the QBs development.

    First game reflected that philosophy, second game resembled a pass happy OC that has a new toy. It reminded me of last years OC. Occasional run with a heavy pass attack, I thought that’s why Bowles made the change to a new OC.
     
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    We Sent 6 guys after Tannerhill , thats not counting Adams and we saw how that worked . Why are we blitzing or better yet why are we in man coverage when its 3rd and 19 ? How about we play zone and get the ball back and maybe we all get our wish and get to see Darnold attempt a comeback ? I get it , that some of you guys think it was the correct call and blame Adams for screwing up , I don't blame Adams ,I blame Bowels and Rodgers for not putting their players in the best situation to succeed and for for sending 6 guys I easily agree to disagree with you fellows.
     
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  19. Red Menace

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    I posted about this sometime ago as well, he’s always at the LOS, is it any wonder guy will never get a chance at many interceptions?

    Everytime they show a shot of Lee and Adams at LOS, lee is getting pushed out of the way by a guard while Adams is shooting into the gap against his matchup.
     
  20. FJF

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    But they did put Adams in the right situation. They gave him a 35 yo rb to cover. If Adams does his job they punt and Sam has a chance. If they sit back in a zone and give up anything less than 5 yards Miami is line up to kick the dagger. It’s not just down and distance it’s position on the field too.
     

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