Dude, you are really blowing this out of proportion. There are arguments for either side. If Miami won, they would be 5-3. If the Jets lose next week and the Pats and Miami win, we would be in second, tied with Miami. (if Miami won yesterday) If it's week 11 or 12, and we have a 3 game lead, maybe we can look at it with your perspective. But week 9 when we are a game back of first, and a 1 game lead on Miami is a bit early with a division this good. If we lost yesterday would you still be upset that Baltimore won? This is a week to week league, and in the AFCE, teams can slide from first to third in 2 games. Either way, there is really no reason to take such a strong position. Miami and New England lost-- we won. Enjoy it.
the only reasonable assumption is to project forward a win/loss ratio based on the their current record. at that pace the Ravens and Jets probably each go 12-4, and in that case we have no chance to have any home field advantage on the Ravens. so wanting the Ravens to win this week, you are saying you are comfortable with the Ravens having home field over the Jets. I'm not. those aren't assumptions, that is simply projecting forward what we know now. it isn't making anything up random at all, so your attempt to minimize them as such is dishonest. you're depending on the Ravens somehow playing worse from here on out. I'm not, I'm going to assume they are as good in the second half of the season as they are in the first, and so are the Jets, and if that is the case the Jets will not have home field advantage. but projecting forward, even had the Fins won they still would have finished behind the Jets. the Jets don't get an extra prize if they finish 1 or 2 games ahead of the Fins, so that deficit is irrelevant. the only deficit that matters is the deficit between the Jets and the teams in front of them, and right now there is only one team -- the Ravens.
That is certainly not the only reasonable assumption. It's the assumption you choose to make and try to force on us in order to make your argument sound better. Sorry, I'm not buying.
I'd like to think your bag of shit is running low by now, just admit you got a lil ahead of yourself and youre trying to salvage a lost argument. Yesterday could have gone very differently and with how strong your stance seems to be lets put you in a differant situation and you should stick to your guns. Jets come out of yesterday with a loss (extremely high possibility that could have happened) we are 5-3-we already know you were rooting for the Jets to win obviously The dolphins win yesterday- you were rooting for them to, they are now 5-3 and tied with us in the division instead of a 2 game lead over them? And there is still 8 games to go. Seriously?? edit: Im really not trying to shit on you here dude, because usually you are pretty rational, but anyone who watches football knows, and espescially this season it seems, any given sunday. Its still to early to decide the outcomes of the rest of the season for multiple teams and root for a division rival to be biting at our heels.
What are you nostradamus. Last time we slept on the dolphins they won the division. Worry about your division and getting to the playoffs and then worry about home field advantage. You act like us being ahead of the Ravens and getting home field advantage over everyone is most important. What happens when the Ravens get 1 seed and lose first round. Theres so much football left so stop getting ahead of yourself you sound like an ass.
I agree with Jetblue - most of you are out of your minds - the better outcome for the Jets yesterday would have been a fins win and I was whole heartedly rooting for that. The Fins are not winning the division period. With a game at hand over Miami and in control of our destiny in playing them as fans we should be rooting for any team in the AFC ahead or tied with us to lose (Pitt/Balt) if possible.
So you would have been ok with being tied with Miami today also? Ok I can respect your confidence in the Jets and your own psychic abilities. <_< Not that I have a lack of confidence in the Jets, but why push it? I mean, that is the basis of this whole argument, games we have no control over bennefitting us.
Wait.....seriously? Holy kripes...I'm trying to get Jets fans to take off the rose colored glasses and look at some of our near losses realistically. We almost lost to the Lions.....did lose to the Packers..came within a hail Mary of losing to the Broncos, and escaped that slop fest vs the Vikings by the skin of our teeth. So if we lose yesterday (and that was looking like a very real possibility) and Miami wins...you are saying what we are still winning the division by virtue of games we haven't played yet...against a team that played us pretty tight the first time we met? I'm having some trouble following the logic out here.
Please....dont say the word logic in this thread....its a hot button. Hell its a damn reset button! :lol: JK
Actually I strongly suspect that it's not so much a logic failure as it relates to this thread. I think people that don't (seem) to understand that winning the division is priority one actually do get it and are probably season ticket holders that have a pretty big stake in wanting to see the Jets host a couple of home games. I have no problem with that from a right brained POV... The left brain is definitely lacking there though.
This I doubt, I may be flexing MY psychic abilities now so I could be wrong, but I beleive their arguments are pure in nature as to what would best benefit in the teams success, regardless of their viewpoints. Nice point tho, being able to go to more home playoff games would be nice, I may start swaying to the other side..haha
If shipley held onto that 6 yard completion....the bengals win that game. tough to do though when getting drilled by harrison. he had it though
No guarantee they would have won that game.If he held onto that ball they would have been inside the five with a firstdown and under a minute to go.Bengals had 2 timeouts but that Steelers defense could very well have held in that situation.
honest admission I was sitting in section 237 of Ford Field on Sunday with 5 minutes remaining in the game composing my "Good job, congratulations on your win" gracious exit speech to the Lions fans all around me and preparing my "It wasn't all that bad since the Patriots and Dolphins both lost, too" rationalization for ganggreen.... Then, in the immortal words of the great Jack Buck... An "I can't believe what I've just seen!!!" moment showed up live on the field in front of me
I think thoughts like that had run through all our heads. I was getting texts like crazy from people. "This is happening right now" "Superbowl... really?" Shit like that from so many people. I had responded to a few and had basically said that it sucked but it wasn't going to affect their playoff chances much. The weird thing was that I did continue to stay calm just like I have throughout every game this year. Even when things are shit I just keep running through the offensive roster in my head and I know they can put it together at any time. The best part was the two guys I was watching with. One is a big Jets fan and the other is a huge Giants fan. The Giants fan loves to talk shit and stuff so he was rooting for the Lions. When Stafford goes down he doesn't miss a beat telling us how Shaun Hill is gonna tear us a new one. The second he saw Drew Stanton's name pop up he almost conceded defeat right there with the Lions still up ten. It was one of the funniest changes in demeanor I have ever seen. Turned out he was right to lose all hope.
one, we didn't lose on Sunday, and two, even if we had and the Fins won we'd still be a half game ahead of theme with a tie breaker and another game against them. with that fact, the Jets ability to win the division over the Fins is in the Jets hands, so even being tied record wise going into the next match up, if the Jets lost that game and lost the division it would be because of their own shortcomings. the Jets position against the Fins is in the Jets own hands. that is what you want in any sport. the Jets position against the Ravens is out of their hands and they depend on others to beat them. so, by any reasonable standards you want the team to lose who has the tie breaker over you and you have no chance to overtake them by your own actions, and the team to win who you have a lead over and a tie breaker over. there is no lost argument in grasping that. and there is no getting ahead of oneself. any prediction is getting ahead of yourself, so you are as well by taking the opposite position. you don't grasp my argument because you don't even grasp your own hypocrisy, and your hypocrisy inherently reveals your own lost argument. my shit isn't running low, it is just you are chin deep in your own shit but don't have the sense to smell it.
no, sounding like an ass is simply making up scenarios like the 1 seed losing simply to minmize its importance. I can play that dumb fuck game. who cares if the Fins win the division and the Jets get the Wild Card, if the Fins lose their opening playoff game but the Jets win theirs. see, now your concern is just as easily nullified but not based on anything. not basing your argument on reality makes you look like an ass, not projecting what we know so far this season on the rest of the season. I can be insecure too. watch. what if the Jets don't win another game, it wont matter who wins or not elsewhere, we will finish 6-10 and out of the playoffs anyways. let's not get ahead of ourselves, it simply doesn't matter who wins or loses because we don't know how the Jets will finish. yeah, that seems reasonable. any reasonable position has to have a conclusion in mind. for me, it isn't winning the division, it is winning the division and getting home field advantage. I'm not insecure about the Jets and driven by fear, so I prefer to gauge this season with the same goals they have -- best record in the league. to do that, the teams ahead of the Jets need to lose first, not the teams behind them. the arguments to the contrary are just fear driven, hypocritical and simply lack any sense, unless you are only concerned with winning the division solely. but your lack of higher goals reveals your own fears and insecurities.
