Good tactic. Try and change the context of the topic. Again I take my football talk serious. I welcome anyone that wants to debate me.(bring it on) Its not my fault you didn't come strong(arguements were weak in this thread) . So instead of taking your medicine, that you were served. Lets try and post some prepostrous predictions. BTW Im still waiting for you to accept the offer. MY TE versus your TE numbers next season. The loser TE is banned from this board permantely. Thats how sure I am in this one. Are You??????
Keller was a rookie last year, where Miller had a year of the NFL under his belt. In that respect age really doesn't matter, NFL maturity is a big factor there. And "will be even more better than him" we may need to head back to middle school english class.
See the thread I responded to this. IT does matter to the scouts how old a prospect is. Overaged prospects are devalued(pushed down teams board) Reason being that what you usually see from an overraged prospect, is what your going to get, A younger player has a chance to get alot better(as they mature physical). See Pouha who a perfect example. Has he gotten any better since he came into league . Another fact that alot Jet fans ignore. Raiders have thrown the ball less than any team the last two years. That just shows just how much better Zach Miller is in comparison to keller. NOw Keller going from a hall of fame QB to a inexperience QB. Yea and you expect his numbers to go up. Wake up.
Ok lets see....1) Keller will cath more balls than miller this year. 2) Keller will catch more tds than miller this year. 3) Keller will have more receiving yards than miller this year. 4) Jets will have more rushing yards than oakland this year. Now who is the better tight end? I think the odds are that all four of the above happen this year
LMao Please tell me how you came to this conclusion. What MRs Cleo and her physic friends told you what was in store for Keller next season. All I go by is this fact. MY 15 month younger TE (zach miller) stats were way better than Keller numbers last year, with a hall of fame QB throwing to him. Now he has an inexperience QB throwing the football. Isn't it a little too early to be drinking adult beverages.
Your HOF QB will be benched by midseason and out of the league within two years. What is the almighty Zach Miller going to do then?
One Year wonders in college- see akili Smith haven't had alot of sucess in the NFL. mark Sanchez has a better chance of being out of football in two years, than the Raiders jamarcus Russell. Hey there is always a need for a short order cook. Just remember Mark to wash your hands after you use the bathroom.
1. You can't be serious that you think it's normal to compare a rookie TE's numbers, who never started (sharing time with 2 other TE's), to a 2nd yr TE's. 2. Clearly the standard way that any reasonable person who follows football is going to compare players, who are a yr apart, is by comparing their 1st, 2nd, 3rd yr etc. in the league versus the other's 1st, 2nd, 3rd yr etc. P.S. Gimme a break with this '15 mths younger' and 'in september Keller will be 25 vs. 23 Miller' bs - any reasonable football analyst (that you proclaim you are) compares players ages by yrs. I understand you are trying to get under Jets fans' skin but it's looks really pathetic. P.S. There is no way I want you 'raiderjoe' banned, I enjoy reading these bantering arguments you get involved in way too much. I just wish it could last all yr. Every year at virtually the same time, you seem to vanish.
only you would try to parallel Akili Smith in the Run N Shoot offense to Mark Sanchez who played and studied under a pro style offense. im not even gonna say how good i think Sanchez might or might not be, but thats just retarded. furthermore, Sanchez would make a better short order cook than Russell because A)Sanchez can read B)Russell would be fired after he was found in the walk in fridge passed out from an eating frenzy C)Unlike Russell, Sanchez has an actual work ethic. Now onto Miller/Keller i will give you this, Zach Miller is a real good TE. other thing though is Keller didnt even see much of the field till late last year. and its well documented Keller needed work on his blocking. ask the LB's and Safeties if they enjoyed trying to cover him though. I'm not gonna make the comparison, but Tony Gonzalez was HIGHLY criticized his first few years in the league for not being a balanced TE. blocking, can actually be coached. Keller is someone youd be drooling over with triangle numbers if he was a Raider. so im not even gonna play into your game of him being "just an H-back" either way i think your trying to compare two young players with varying skillsets, WAY TOO EARLY in both of their careers and make it sound like common logic.
I'm with Sinq15, we need Jeaux on this board...he makes everybody look smarter. But I have an offer for you Joe. I'll take you up on your TE Compatition. Loser has to carry whatever Avatar the winner decides until the kick-off of 2010 season. Deal?
Ok. I can?t take it. I have to fight the Jeaux. His logic is on par with putting Gilbert Brown at WR. (But he runs a 0.31 40) Stop it. Your arguments are so far beyond the realm of competent, that people have actually given up on correcting you. You could say its raining butterscotch and they wouldn?t argue. You could say Ryan Leif is better then Payton Manning ever hoped to be and they wouldn?t argue. Well damn it, I will. I agree you on one aspect. You can?t fairly compare them. After all, the Jets had Favre, Cotchery, Coles, Washington and Jones. The Raiders had, Miller?hmm?Yep, that?s it. Miller. So obviously Miller is hugely exaggerated. But, most of us already knew that. Most sources say that Miller is the best receiver the Raiders have. Unfortunately, that?s like being the best smelling turd. What is your fascination with this whole age thing? Matt Ryan is younger then Tom Brady, so obviously Matt Ryan is better? Do you seriously consider the shit you regurgitate in this forum before doing it? Let me help you understand the way it works. If TE 1 is 24, and has played in the NFL 5 years, and Player 2 is 30 and a rookie, who should be more productive? Answer: TE 1. Why? Experience, yes it?s that important. Not one NFL coach would say TE 2, not one. Only?..Raiderjeaux. So please, quit with the age fixation. It?s arbitrary. (that means illogical joe) You know I couldn?t resist this masterpiece. 1. Numbers to prove it. Rookie Season. Miller: 44 catches/444 yards/10.1 avg/3 tds. Keller: 48 catches/535 yards/11.1 avg/3 tds. Now, I?m not a mathematician, but I?d have to say DK had a little more success then ZM. But that?s just me. Anybody agree with that statement? I thought so. The reason you judge them on their rookie season and not season by season is because it gives you the best basis of comparison. Is it the end all be all? Of course not. But I?m sure in this case it is? 2. Why do we care who is better looking? And why do I have a sneaky suspicion that you were referring to their posteriors? I?m just saying? Again, no. If you think somebody looks good you DO want to sleep with them. Run a poll and let the people speak. I already know there answer, but it could be fun anyway. Zach Miller. 38th Overall. 21 Years Old. Dustin Keller. 30th Overall. 23 Years Old. GMs must not have gotten your memo. They forgot to slide DK down. All in all it was a good effort Jeaux. But as usual your debate is an EPIC FAILURE. You?re cloaked in it. You should be used to it. Better luck next time.
OFFTOPIC: RaiderJoe's avatar are getting gayier and gayier... i bet 5$ next picture will be Justin Timberlake
Zach Miller, are you kidding? A complete TE? What the hell are you smoking? Keller isn't either, but Miller is not even as good as Keller. And enough of the younger player, older player bullshit. You make it sound like Keller is a grizzled vet and you're just making yourself sound worse and worse every time you mention it. Doesn't matter, I gave up hope for you when you somehow managed to miss the S key by a solid 2 inches and went straight for %. I'm curious as to why you were capitalizing the JaMarcus RusSell, but even more confused why you were wearing mittens when typing.
Miller is a more well rounded TE than Keller, that's just a fact. But that doesn't matter in fantasy land. However, still surprised they'd project more productivity for a guy dependent on Sanchez/Clemens over Russell/Garcia.
Garcia is the only one of the 4 who has proven he can play in the NFL. Sanchez and Clemens have shown little if any thing. Russle has not put on much at all in his starting attemtps. With a likely starting team of Russle for the raiders and Sanchez for the Jets, I doubt wither of these two guys produces top flight fantasy numbers. Keller is the bigger boom or bust fantasy option with his skill set. Miller may be a better over all TE, but is not the weapon the Keller can be. He can block, but his speed is not about to scare anyone.
Speed is not his thing, that's why Olsen was drafted ahead of him. But it is worthy of note that his average per catch was almost 3 yards better than Keller last year. He was also dealing with (essentially) a rookie QB while Keller was paired with Favre.
