Bunch of Crapweasels, they are! Yawn. Who cares? I think we'll surprise this year. I prefer it that way anyhow. Last year was a fluke. We're back. New offense fits our style. Defense gets to be the focus again. Ten wins.
Santonio Holmes is not a pro bowl caliber WR. Period. He hasn't made the pro bowl yet and he's 6 years into a very high profile career with the Steelers and Jets. I can't say this with enough emphasis. Santonio Holmes is a very average receiver by NFL standards and clearly not worth the money the Jets are paying him. He can't get open when the defense chooses to try to shut him down. He doesn't make great clutch catches any more often than any other player who is routinely over-targeted by the offensive staff. He drops passes and he fumbles at an absurd rate. He has 15 fumbles in 338 catches in his career. He had as many fumbles last season as Dustin Keller has in his career. Having Brian Schottenheimer call 68 drop-backs because Holmes was complaining about his opportunities was absurd. Treating Holmes like he is a #1 WR when in fact he is a complementary #2 and an unstable one at that is a huge part of the Jet's problems on offense right now.
The bolded phrase is thrown around here so much. Only Fitz, Calvin, Andre, and sometimes Marshall can get what they want when the defense wants to shut them out. Every other WR struggles if the defense focuses on them. Then it is up to the OC/QB to adjust and burn them. Unfortunately for us last year, we had no other WR to go, a QB who was inconsistent, and an OC who was even more inconsistent
I think Holmes would be a Pro Bowl receiver in a great passing offense like the Patriots. He's not a "go anywhere" Pro Bowl player though. Worse, he considers himself to be and plays the diva card to the fullest extent. Is there a more high profile whiner in the NFL right now? If the Jets can get back to using Holmes the way they did in 2010 then he'll have another good year. Unfortunately a large reason why he had the year that he did was because of what Braylon Edwards was doing on the other side. It seems a bit unfair to expect similar from Hill as a rookie...
I'm not even sure why I'm bothering. We are polar opposites with how we view this team. It is what it is. I can buy that he's overrated, I can buy that he's not a dominant # 1...I can even buy that he's in some ways a complimentary player..but average?! He has above average speed in his routes AND after the catch, he can run every route, his hands are at least average, he has above average body control out of his cuts..and how can you ignore how many game winning catches he's made already in his career? You make it seem like he's on a level with David Tyree..and that just isn't fair. No he's not a dominant # 1 physically imposing reciever...but he is an above average slasher type who is deadly in the open field after the catch. But he's not an asset to this offense,right?
You may have gathered by now that Brad really has hard on for Holmes. Holmes had 1248 yds for Pitt his last year there. He missed the first four games in 10 with the Jets, but stll had 746 yards, meaning he would likely have gotten a thousand if he'd been with the team all year. In this O? He is clearly a number 1 receiver. It's only last year's fiasco in the passing attack that drew his numbers down. No, he's no Larry Fitz or Calvin or Andre. But he's top ten to fifteen. He's the best skill position player on the team. End of story.
He had that big year with Pitt with Ben Roethlisberger extending plays and Hines Ward still playing like a #1 receiver across from him. He did well here with Edwards across from him. He's averaging 872.5 yards, 56 catches and 5.5 TD's a season over his 6 year career. Those are #2 WR numbers and when he was asked to be a #1 WR for the first time in his career last year he failed miserably - admittedly in a dysfunctional offense, but he was part of the problem. History and numbers show that he's a great #2 receiver. There's no evidence that he is a top 15 receiver or that he can even be an effective #1 WR in this league. The guy is very clutch, I'll give him that, but he's not even close to a top 15 WR ... top 40.
Last year Holmes was the 62nd ranked WR in the NFL. He averaged 3 catches a game for 40 yards. How can you possibly say that Holmes is a top 10-15 WR at this point in his career?
No. I don't make him out as on the same level as David Tyree. Why do you take my contention that Holmes is an average WR and then draw a comparison to a guy who is not even in the NFL any more and only started 5 games in his career? Holmes has been in the NFL for 6 years now with Ben Roethlisberger throwing to him 4 of those 6 years. He's never caught 80 passes in a season and has averaged 56 catches a year. He's only been over 1,000 yards receiving once and has averaged 872 yards a year. He's never caught double-digit TD's and has averaged under 6 a season. That's an average NFL receiver. Yeah, he had one big year in Pittsburgh in 2009. He's had two very average years since then. If he was a real #1 Sanchez would look a lot better than he does. The reason Holmes and Sanchez don't look so good these days is that neither one of them is capable of elevating the play of the other. Edit: what LTJF said. Holmes is one of the most over-rated players in the NFL right now.
Holmes is one of those all-talent no-heart type guys. If he chooses to turn it on he'd be top 10 for sure. The problem is that he doesn't...
This is likely fair. he is def. more of a # 2 than a # 1...but the thing to realize is that in the modern NFL..you need WR's who fill different roles.Many teams build their WR corps around starting 5 basketball principles. Holmes is your slashing point guard type. He's not a huge target over the middle...he's never gonna catch 12 balls in a game..and nobody is mistaking him for Andre Johnson...but he definitely brings alot to the table. He is deadly after the catch and you like that in a cold weather offense as once you hit November/december it's hard for an offense to get into a rythym with alot of passing, which means when receptions are made...plays must be made after the catch. That's what Holmes brings.
The same way all your bonehead media friend's thought ochocinco would catch 100 balls for the Pats last year. Or how you completely ignore the history of super bowl losing teams follow up season when you make your ridiculous predictions for this upcoming season.
1) I don't pay attention to anything that is said in the media. 2) I suppose you believe in the Madden jinx as well.
You are just throwing numbers around without any context or insight. With Pitt he was a rookie and did not start until the end of the season. He only played 13 games his second year, but still led the team as their best receiver. 08 was problematic due to his pot bust, and he was benched for that, but imo he made up for it by being SB MVP, only the sixth time a wideout won the award. He deserved it. Clearly he was Pitt's #1 wideout in 09. He came to the Jets in 10 and missed his first four games, but still, even opposite Edwards, had a better per game average for the 12 games he played. Focusing on per year average yardage leaves out last year's total offensive ineptitude, playing only 3/4's a season in 10, his rookie year in 06. Fact is even with that rookie year and missing games he had 3835 total yards in four years with Pitt, clearly was their leading receiver in 07, SB MVP in 08, and Pitt's top receiver in 09. With Pitt he averaged nearly a thousand yards a season in four seasons, including that rookie year. And yet you feel comfortable calling him a #2 wideout. Well, at least you can feel comfortable that the Pats fans here agree with you, but I will go with my own definition of a number 1 wideout, and Holmes meets it.
I think you mean Deion Branch, Troy Brown never won a Super Bowl MVP. But your point remains the same.
With the Jets it's never as good as the media says and never as bad. I think 10-6 is about right. Good D - Better play from Mark S. and perhaps a few good plays from TT will account for a win or two.
News flash: The Bills are closer to dethroning the mighty Patriots in the AFC East than the big, brash Jets. Rex Ryan might love his team, or at least profess to, but it says right here they're not even the second-best team in the state of New York. That would be the long-downtrodden Bills, who can rightfully lay claim to having the best offseason in the league. After 12 playoff-less seasons, the longest active drought in the NFL, there's hope again in Buffalo. And this time, it's there for good reason. While the second-place Jets (8-8 in 2011) were busy creating a potential team-splitting quarterback controversy for themselves with the Tim Tebow trade, not to mention the dubious decision to draft a 4-3 defensive end to play in their 3-4 front (Quinton Coples), the fourth-place Bills (6-10) were adding and retaining quality pieces to the puzzle at every turn. Be it their re-signing of key veterans Stevie Johnson, Fred Jackson or Scott Chandler, their drafting of talents such as Stephon Gilmore, Cordy Glenn and T.J. Graham, or their headline acquisitions of Mario Williams, Mark Anderson and Vince Young in free agency, the Bills have made moves to get better. Maybe a lot better. The Jets? They've made a messy locker room situation that much messier. Life under Ryan in New York will never be friction-free, but pouring gas on the fire and expecting things to settle down is a curious approach to say the least. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...05/15/strong.hunches/index.html?sct=nfl_wr_a1
As a Patriots fan you of all people should know that offseason moves does not equal success. An exciting splashy offseason move is rarely made by the Patriots and the biggest one in recent history (Randy Moss) netted 0 Super Bowl wins. Mario Williams is a major signing however I'd venture to say that the Texans with Mario Williams were better than the Bills will be with Mario Williams. Also, Vince Young as a "headline acquisition" or someone who will help them win a Super Bowl? Don't make me laugh. Please provide factual evidence that the Jets have furthered their locker room strife through their offseason activity. Tabloid opinions does not equal the reality of what goes down in the regular season.
